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View Poll Results: 2019 Handicapping Software Poll!
Value Capper 122 21.18%
Black Magic 95 16.49%
HSH 97 16.84%
RDSS 109 18.92%
JCapper 97 16.84%
HTR 127 22.05%
Betmix 114 19.79%
Nocal Greg Programs 125 21.70%
Handifast 94 16.32%
All Data Free 91 15.80%
Homegrown 126 21.88%
Old Sartin Programs 101 17.53%
Other Not Listed 205 35.59%
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Old 10-12-2019, 10:40 AM   #91
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This is an unsolicited recommendation.

I have been using HSH since 2013 and overall had been using one of the advanced Sartin products (one in which I had a role as tester of the various beta versions) for years.

After being frustrated at my results, AND the dissatisfaction with many aspects of Sartin (don't get me wrong as it was a great point of genesis for computer aided handicapping) I sought an alternative.

I reviewed many software packages available, heard good things about two of them HSH and HTR (one of the executives at Woodbine uses this latter as does the public handicapper at Hastings Park in Vancouver).

HSH won the day and I am still amazed at how it can predict NOT only the contenders but often the top 4...My wagering changed dramatically with this last discovery and anyone who would have told me 5 years ago that I would be looking for supers each race, I would have laughed out loud. But there it is.

I haven't even scratched the surface of this multi-phasing program package either...I make new discoveries with it all the time and the software support is unparalleled.
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Old 10-13-2019, 07:44 PM   #92
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I haven't had a chance to try HSH as the software does not come with one old past performance. Not even one from 10 years ago.
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:04 AM   #93
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I haven't had a chance to try HSH as the software does not come with one old past performance. Not even one from 10 years ago.
Hey Speed Figure-

Not sure what you are asking for there. Are you looking for a past performance from HSH similar to BRIS or DRF? I just want to be sure I am understanding your question.

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Old 10-14-2019, 02:21 PM   #94
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I'm saying that the software doesn't come with any old past performances. In order to use HSH a user has to pay for a month of downloads even though it's a program you'll never used before. There's no old past performances in there to help get you up to speed with what's going on.
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Old 10-14-2019, 08:10 PM   #95
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I'm saying that the software doesn't come with any old past performances. In order to use HSH a user has to pay for a month of downloads even though it's a program you'll never used before. There's no old past performances in there to help get you up to speed with what's going on.
I believe that is true. When you purchase the month of downloads I think includes the most recent 45 past days as well. Dave please correct me if I misspoke here. That extra 45 days does give you a starting point.

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I'm saying that the software doesn't come with any old past performances. In order to use HSH a user has to pay for a month of downloads even though it's a program you'll never used before. There's no old past performances in there to help get you up to speed with what's going on.
if you are a "current" HDW DATA customer , something can be worked out...
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If I were a current HDW customer I wouldn’t be talking about old pp's not coming with the software.
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if you are a "current" HDW DATA customer , something can be worked out...
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If I were a current HDW customer I wouldn’t be talking about old pp's not coming with the software.
What software do you know of that comes with back data?
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What software do you know of that comes with back data?
Black Magic, Value Capper, HTR to name a few. I'm only talking about a few old pp's. Having a couple of race cards that are 5 or 10 years old wouldn't hurt anything. This is why a lot of software users like programs that use bris files because they can load old files and get up to speed with the software before going all in.
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Black Magic, Value Capper, HTR to name a few. I'm only talking about a few old pp's. Having a couple of race cards that are 5 or 10 years old wouldn't hurt anything. This is why a lot of software users like programs that use bris files because they can load old files and get up to speed with the software before going all in.
I see...

I have HSH and had JCapper and both programs need a decent database to produce acceptable plays....
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Black Magic, Value Capper, HTR to name a few. I'm only talking about a few old pp's. Having a couple of race cards that are 5 or 10 years old wouldn't hurt anything. This is why a lot of software users like programs that use bris files because they can load old files and get up to speed with the software before going all in.
How about this... You purchase the product and I will pay your first month of data.
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How about this... You purchase the product and I will pay your first month of data.
I've already had the software for awhile now.
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I've already had the software for awhile now.
And you have never downloaded?
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And you have never downloaded?
I've had it since April 2018. My plan was to get a feel using old data trying to learn the basic things it does. That never happened so it's unusable.
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I've had it since April 2018. My plan was to get a feel using old data trying to learn the basic things it does. That never happened so it's unusable.
So , you gave up after 6 months?

I know commercial software , like this , is difficult at first...
But watching many of his videos , I was able to piece things together
and it started to click...granted it took 3-6 months ....but Dave is very
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