Both Saffie Joseph starters at the just opened ChurchillDowns meet collapsed and died

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

No.

They banned one of the very top trainers of all time from the freakin' KENTUCKY DERBY...why do you think they would now all of a sudden look to cover THIS up?

See the post above mine from Geno Gino. It's starting already. Something in the feed, a groom dropping dope. Yeah, thats the ticket. Let's see who turns out to be the fall guy here.


Ken Ramsey?


Saffie?


Or some shlub that unloaded the horse from the truck.


BTW where is HISA?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Boomer

See the post above mine from Geno Gino. It's starting already. Something in the feed, a groom dropping dope. Yeah, thats the ticket. Let's see who turns out to be the fall guy here.


Ken Ramsey?


Saffie?


Or some shlub that unloaded the horse from the truck.


BTW where is HISA?

That was Geno making stuff up...probably being sarcastic...the DRF article he linked to mentions nothing of that...

[Boomer]

So Saffie's horses where now all scratched by Saffie.


Is he getting out of Dodge ( Churchill) before they are tested?


Real question, I don't now, but one would think they slow that down to test these horse.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

That was Geno making stuff up...probably being sarcastic...the DRF article he linked to mentions nothing of that...

Yeah, I got the sarcasm, and it was perfect!

[PhantomOnTour]

Originally Posted by Boomer

So Saffie's horses where now all scratched by Saffie.


Is he getting out of Dodge ( Churchill) before they are tested?


Real question, I don't now, but one would think they slow that down to test these horse.

Maybe CD gave him the chance to scratch them himself before they scratched for him...??

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by PhantomOnTour

Maybe CD gave him the chance to scratch them himself before they scratched for him...??

Maybe? But they need to be tested before leaving the grounds for complete transparency. If negative, everyone wins. If he leaves the ground with them prior to testing, it sends a real bad message.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Saffie is not unique among the trainers.

Their overages mostly fall between pushing the envelope, being a little disorganized, etc..

the overages are not the medications that moving horses up 10 points and causing their stamina to increase. Those medications are 'ahead of the testers', or in other words virtually undetectable.

an average fan or player's perception, and the media's limited understanding along with the industries limited options of action as well as having to act in their best interests, it's just the tip of the iceberg, and they don't even accurately see the iceberg, they see a small island/islet? or whatever the hell an iceberg could be mistaken for.

in the nfl
https://twitter.com/jason_kassa/stat...41867119755264
fans believe that the NFL tests for steroids and growth hormones etc...
the NFL owners (the ones that care or look) and the guys the owners pay to help think, and the team employees etc. etc.. know full well what the deal is. It would be super expensive and a pain in the neck to try to stay ahead of the users. It would also make many of the players less super-human in looks and performance. They'd have a tougher time recovering from contact and injuries and returning from big injuries and surgeries, and playing extra years on their contract.
All of this would also negatively affect the advertising contracts.
long story short, the NFL unspoken allows the steroids and growth hormones etc... they make an example of a few players each year to show that they 'enforce' the no steroids/growth hormones/etc.. rule.
The majority of fans believe that the NFL is clean and if they can see/believe that a villain player or a few players with freakish physiques are using gear, then most fans take that as a rarity in a mostly clean and enforced sport.

in pro wrestling or pro bodybuilding
i think almost everyone understands that these guys are using a ton of gear.
there's surely a few out there who think it's clean or that cheating is rare, and there's probably a pro Wrestling segment that simply doesn't think much about things, but generally everyone knows, no one cares. The sports deny it and do some light propaganda, but you have to be the biggest freier, the most naive person to be an adult and spend more than 5 minutes watching the sport and not know. It's just part of the sport and entertainment.

Unfortunately our game is now in 'NFL' territory.

As someone who used to power lift and played football through college I have been around lots of cheaters. The two guys you pictured look clean to me, because they don't have the huge trapezius muscles that are the tell tale sign of a cheater. If that is JJ Watt look at his legs. Also black guys have better genetics than whites for growing muscles, but are nowhere near as strong as a similarly muscled white guy.



Look at Barry Bonds and how quickly he shrunk after retiring, that is an obvious juicer.

[Inner Dirt]

Is there a historical record of race horse deaths and how they died? Human doping caught hold in the 70's. Wonder when cheating started with horses?
I would venture a guess about the same time.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

. Wonder when cheating started with horses?

Ben-Hur...

[JustRalph]

I think that pic of JJ is doctored.

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[Tom]

Originally Posted by Michael

I don't think Churchill can afford another horse trained by Saffie dropping dead. Saffie's basically parading around with his underware over his pants at this point, and letting everyone see the giant skid marks the industry trys to hide.

When we wake up tomorrow morning... Churchill will anounce Cyclone will come off the AE list. Lord Miles is out.

Derby runner officialltc scratched, as are all Safie runnerS UFN.
cd DECISION.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

I think that pic of JJ is doctored.

Maybe not, he could have been one of those guys who hated working their legs. That leg looks like it belongs on a bird.

[deathandgravity]

This mean Cyclone Mischief is in? Interesting... wonder which one Rosario will ride?

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