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linrom1 · 10-09-2016, 12:44 AM

I can't say enough at how disappointed I am at Tepin's loss. The way that she lost is astounding. She was beaten by 10 lengths at 3/4.

She ran a mile in 1:36 1/5, that's a time Calder horses would be ashamed off.
What was Leparoux doing?

sammy the sage · 10-09-2016, 07:22 AM

Doing as instructed....this race was NOT the target...if she was going to go all out...would've been in the Shadwell mile for million bucks...and been favored there as well...

this BC is going to be VERY interesting...

Inner Dirt · 10-09-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy the sage

Doing as instructed....this race was NOT the target...if she was going to go all out...would've been in the Shadwell mile for million bucks...and been favored there as well...

this BC is going to be VERY interesting...

I have never been privy to inside information, but common sense tells me a trainer would not enter a $400k race as a tune up. Maybe an insider can correct me if I am wrong.

TravisVOX · 10-09-2016, 09:05 AM

Pretty significant overreaction happening here.

The winner ran a bang-up race and deserved it. Tepin was ridden confidently, perhaps too much so, and was left with too much to do. Despite the pace, she still came running at the end. The top two ran well.

And if you listened to the interviews after the race, she was not fully cranked.

Oh, and Tepin would beat any horse on the grounds at Calder by no less than 30 lengths.

infrontby1 · 10-09-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy the sage

Doing as instructed....this race was NOT the target...if she was going to go all out...would've been in the Shadwell mile for million bucks...and been favored there as well...

this BC is going to be VERY interesting...

I totally agree with Sammy...

It's plausible to find out after the race when the ass't trainer is being interviewed on national TV that she wasn't being asked at all to run her best and the jockey didn't want to push her extensively through the stretch so she would have more gas left in the tank for the big dance in four weeks.

That's just what the hundred of thousands of $$$ that she was singled in all of the horizontal and vertical wagers by the bettors like to hear. Very comforting, indeed.

linrom1 · 10-09-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy the sage

Doing as instructed....this race was NOT the target...if she was going to go all out...would've been in the Shadwell mile for million bucks...and been favored there as well...

this BC is going to be VERY interesting...

Actually her trainer's objective was to win the WOODBINE MILLION. Casse is Canadian and Woodbine based trainer(he didn't even bother going to Keenland)?

It's a shame that this guy can't even appreciate the tens of thousands of fans that this horse has garnered! What a selfish and conceited piece of narcissistic lump of dead wood this guy is. He should REFUND every single bettor!

The First Lady was just FINAL 2f work out. In the Woodbine Mile they went 3/4 MILE in 1:10 2/5 and TEPIN was third trailing the leader by 1 length. In the FIRST LADY they went 3/4 MILE in 1:10 3/5, but TEPIN was 3rd by 10 lengths--she was out for a breeze. LEPAROUX was glued to CELESTINE who was also out for a breeze in 2nd and made everyone follow her like ducklings.

CASSE must have been so intimidated by Mott's touting that his filly CELESTINE ran a superior race that he told LEPAROUX to stick to her, but, it looks like CELESTINE was also prepping for BC after sitting on the shelf since June - a perfect example of sheep blindly walking off the cliff.

However, DESORMEAUX perfectly anticipated what would happen: he disregarded PLETCHER's instructions and sprinted out PHOTO CALL to the lead, all out.

CASSE you can kiss my behind, as a trainer you don't deserve to manage horses like TEPIN, CLASSIC EMPIRE AND CATCH A GLIMPSE.

It took you three races to even put blinkers on CLASSIC EMPIRE even after he veered at the starting gate every time.

classhandicapper · 10-09-2016, 10:01 AM

She's had a pretty tough campaign and was vulnerable to setback at some point anyway, but I suspect Casse wanted an easy race for her before the BC Mile. That's why he didn't run her against the boys again. The question now is whether she's a little over the top or whether he eased off the gas for this race and will crank her up to 100% again for the Mile.

the little guy · 10-09-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by linrom1

Actually her trainer's objective was to win the WOODBINE MILLION. Casse is Canadian and Woodbine based trainer(he didn't even bother going to Keenland)?

..and here I thought your initial post was going to be the least accurate post in this thread.

Silly me.

Exotic1 · 10-09-2016, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TravisVOX

Pretty significant overreaction happening here.

The winner ran a bang-up race and deserved it. Tepin was ridden confidently, perhaps too much so, and was left with too much to do. Despite the pace, she still came running at the end. The top two ran well.

And if you listened to the interviews after the race, she was not fully cranked.

Oh, and Tepin would beat any horse on the grounds at Calder by no less than 30 lengths.

I hear you.

But, it would be nice if the host track, trainer, owner(s), jockey gave these interviews before the race. It may not have made much of a difference to both the players that bet her (they may have bet her in spite of any disclosure) or bet against her with the BC around the corner; but still. Putting the Calder reference aside, I'm not so sure this would rate as an overreaction. I think airing this disclosure only after the race, deserves a reaction.

BTW, our own Double R (RR - Replay Randall) thought the connections hadn't tightened the screws beginning with her prior race.

cj · 10-09-2016, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by linrom1

I can't say enough at how disappointed I am at Tepin's loss. The way that she lost is astounding. She was beaten by 10 lengths at 3/4.

She ran a mile in 1:36 1/5, that's a time Calder horses would be ashamed off.
What was Leparoux doing?

Wasn't the race much faster than the Shadwell Mile?

Exotic1 · 10-09-2016, 11:19 AM

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Wasn't the race much faster than the Shadwell Mile?

Yikes.

I thought Kent D. opened up too early.

Brilliant ride.

linrom1 · 10-09-2016, 11:55 AM

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Yikes.

I thought Kent D. opened up too early.

Brilliant ride.

Here is a quote from Leparoux(idiot):

"I had to ride my own race," he said. "The winner got loose on the lead but other than that we had a good trip. There wasn't much I could do on the backside - I can't move that early.

Brilliant logic

All jockeys in BC just sprint all out, Leparoux is going to run his 3/4 MIle in 1:12 4/5 at Santa Anita

AndyC · 10-09-2016, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TravisVOX

Pretty significant overreaction happening here.

The winner ran a bang-up race and deserved it. Tepin was ridden confidently, perhaps too much so, and was left with too much to do. Despite the pace, she still came running at the end. The top two ran well.

And if you listened to the interviews after the race, she was not fully cranked.

Oh, and Tepin would beat any horse on the grounds at Calder by no less than 30 lengths.

Not fully cranked? She ran 3 weeks ago and we are talking about a turf horse. If this race wasn't a target why run her back in 3 weeks? My guess is that the jockey simply underestimated the winner expecting her to give it up in the stretch.

AndyC · 10-09-2016, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by linrom1

Here is a quote from Leparoux(idiot):

"I had to ride my own race," he said. "The winner got loose on the lead but other than that we had a good trip. There wasn't much I could do on the backside - I can't move that early.

Brilliant logic

All jockeys in BC just sprint all out, Leparoux is going to run his 3/4 MIle in 1:12 4/5 at Santa Anita

Really? How much turf racing do you watch?

outofthebox · 10-09-2016, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyC

Not fully cranked? She ran 3 weeks ago and we are talking about a turf horse. If this race wasn't a target why run her back in 3 weeks? My guess is that the jockey simply underestimated the winner expecting her to give it up in the stretch.

Exactly. A trainer can not crank and un crank a horse once it is dead fit. You can back off the speed works a bit, but the horse will keep it's fitness. She was second best today behind a freaking winner, and was cautiously ridden till he realized his mistake at the 3/8 pole. Move onto to the BC.