15% Takeout On All Bets at Meadowlands Turf Meet

[Redboard]

Pretty form-full so far considering everybody’s a shipper. The only winner to go off at over 10-1 was I’m a Factum in Wednesday’s fourth race(18-1) and he was not some head-scratchin crazy longshot. A deep closer who got a good trip; won at Del park two months ago at similar conditions. After him no one was over 7-1.

As far as the dirt-to-turfers, of the 12 to hit the exacta, only three on Wednesday and one on Thursday. And only two actually won. Forever Plus, class dropper who was coming off a last place finish in an off-the-turf race at the SPA. No surprise here, it was obvious that he is a turf horse. And In A Flury in Wednesday’s first race, was also coming off a last place finish at the SPA. Again, no surprise here (went off at 6-1), third time starter who had gate issues last time out.

As far as Jockey angles, P Lopez is 5-2-1-0( 2 wins, 1 second, 0 thirds). Bocachica is 9-3-0-1. I see one of the Ortiz brothers, Jose, had one mount on Thursday, he came in second. Less than an hour ride from Belmont makes it possible to ride both tracks in the same day.

Trainer angles, Kate DeMasi has two wins. No one else with more than one, but it is only 12 races so detecting any kind of trends is near impossible.

As far as tonight, more rain coming in

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/eas...r-radar/344423

so the turf is going to be pretty soft.

I’m singling Came Back, 5-2, in the fourth race. That same P. Lopez with trainer Alan Goldberg. The horse won three of his last five with one of the losses being a dirt effort. The other was a last-out, off-a-layoff , where he was only two lengths short. Won on soft turf before. He should be ready to fire, although there is some stiff competition in the field.

As far as value plays:

Race 2: My Little Darlings 6-1, –Cut back in distance should help this presser who’s dropping into the lowest level ranks. Has an extra weeks rest than most of these.

Race 3: Honorable Love, 20-1, horse for the course angle, sort of. Had his best lifetime beyers in two races last fall at this same track on soft turf. Showed speed last time out.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Redboard

Pretty form-full so far considering everybody’s a shipper. The only winner to go off at over 10-1 was I’m a Factum in Wednesday’s fourth race(18-1) and he was not some head-scratchin crazy longshot. A deep closer who got a good trip; won at Del park two months ago at similar conditions. After him no one was over 7-1.

As far as the dirt-to-turfers, of the 12 to hit the exacta, only three on Wednesday and one on Thursday. And only two actually won. Forever Plus, class dropper who was coming off a last place finish in an off-the-turf race at the SPA. No surprise here, it was obvious that he is a turf horse. And In A Flury in Wednesday’s first race, was also coming off a last place finish at the SPA. Again, no surprise here (went off at 6-1), third time starter who had gate issues last time out.

As far as Jockey angles, P Lopez is 5-2-1-0( 2 wins, 1 second, 0 thirds). Bocachica is 9-3-0-1. I see one of the Ortiz brothers, Jose, had one mount on Thursday, he came in second. Less than an hour ride from Belmont makes it possible to ride both tracks in the same day.

Trainer angles, Kate DeMasi has two wins. No one else with more than one, but it is only 12 races so detecting any kind of trends is near impossible.

As far as tonight, more rain coming in

http://www.accuweather.com/en/us/eas...r-radar/344423

so the turf is going to be pretty soft.

I’m singling Came Back, 5-2, in the fourth race. That same P. Lopez with trainer Alan Goldberg. The horse won three of his last five with one of the losses being a dirt effort. The other was a last-out, off-a-layoff , where he was only two lengths short. Won on soft turf before. He should be ready to fire, although there is some stiff competition in the field.

As far as value plays:

Race 2: My Little Darlings 6-1, –Cut back in distance should help this presser who’s dropping into the lowest level ranks. Has an extra weeks rest than most of these.

Race 3: Honorable Love, 20-1, horse for the course angle, sort of. Had his best lifetime beyers in two races last fall at this same track on soft turf. Showed speed last time out.

The jocks are saying the same thing the turf is too soft. I'm scratching tomorrow night not worth a horse getting injured.

[stuball]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

That is how I feel. I challenge anyone to stink as bad as me picking turf races. I won't play a pick 3 with a turf race in it. I won't bet a pick 4,5, or 6 if it has more than one turf race, where I typically will play 1/3 of the field and still miss half the time. If I do hit the turf race going 4 deep in a 12 horse field
the winner usually pays $6 or less. I have even went as far as making my own complicated speed figures that will take 2 hours to handicap a full field and that didn't work. I would be better off throwing darts at the program.

Do you have darts already?? I think I have a few xtras LOL

[ronsmac]

Originally Posted by AltonKelsey

We may need to see a MAJOR like Cali or NY do a takeout drop, in order to gauge impact. And even then it may take time.

Seems slightly lower handle not enough to attract more play at smaller venues. They would have to go to 10% to get the attention of the big boys.

I saw people posting payoffs that exacta's were paying 75 and not 50 because of the 15% takeout. yeah.

The big boys are already at the 10% takeout range amd lower.

[ultracapper]

Originally Posted by Redboard

Just looked at the opening day card. All claiming races, most haven’t won in years shipping from Monmouth with half going from dirt to turf, small purses none above $18k. This meet is not going to generate any buzz. Why bother?

15% take, that's why.

I don't understand why players shy away from cheaper races just because they are cheap. If the fields are decent size, regardless of class, it becomes a decent, if not good betting opportunity. A 4/1 winner in a 5K mcl pays $10, exactly the same as a 4/1 Grade 1 winner.

[whodoyoulike]

Originally Posted by pandy

I really think that running a two week thoroughbred meet at a harness track has a lot to do with the handle. I bet a lot of horse players don't even know that they started the meet. They don't advertise much.

I'm unfamiliar with both Meadowlands or Monmouth tracks.

Which is the harness track?

Which track are they racing at since it's Monmouth Meet @ Meadowlands?

Is it because they are adjacent?

If the racing is at the harness track, why would they have a turf course since I thought harness was only run on dirt?

Thanks.

[infrontby1]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

$15 for GW Bridge and $16 (back and forth) for the Triboro/Whitestone/Throgs Neck.

$31 to go to the MDW now for someone like me.

They better start at 730 and finish at 12 if I go. If not, it's totally useless.

I agree.

And if you're traveling over the Cross Bronx Expressway, you'll probably make to the track in time for the opener at Los Alamitos.

And with their current set up, if this was say, 15-20 years ago before the internet craze, how would you even know they would cancel the racing on a day like this while you're taking the long drive to get there?

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by whodoyoulike

I'm unfamiliar with both Meadowlands or Monmouth tracks.

Which is the harness track?

Which track are they racing at since it's Monmouth Meet @ Meadowlands?

Is it because they are adjacent?

If the racing is at the harness track, why would they have a turf course since I thought harness was only run on dirt?

Thanks.

Meadowlands used ot have its own Thoroughbred meet. For the first 10 years, it was 100 days. The Meet started on Labor day, ran 6 days per week and ended in mid December. Over the years, the track had many very good graded stakes.
The opening night Stake was the Pegasus Stakes for 3yo at 9f....
There were two 11f turf events the Rutgers and the Queen Charlotte. Each became grade 2's one for 3 and up one for 3 and up f&M.....There were very good graded 2 yo stakes as well. The Gardenia for fillies at 8.5 F and the Young America for Colts. Same distance. Over the years other events were added. One such race was the Ballantyne Scotch Classic at 1 mile and 3/8ths....Always a large field. I got to see John Henry win that one. I saw Seattle Slew get beat by Dr Patches.....Meadowlands had a top notch Thoroughbred meet.
Now, after the harness meet ended, the track crew would add a base, cushion and top loam/sand for the thoroughbreds. Most seasons, the surface held up very well....
The turf course was built as part of the original plan except they decided to eliminate the infield chute( think of the one at Mth and Aqu)
The meadowlands was built as an all purpose racing facility for both breeds.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by infrontby1

And if you're traveling over the Cross Bronx Expressway, you'll probably make to the track in time for the opener at Los Alamitos.

And with their current set up, if this was say, 15-20 years ago before the internet craze, how would you even know they would cancel the racing on a day like this while you're taking the long drive to get there?

He's better off paying $200 to get there by helicopter.

[Redboard]

Originally Posted by onefast99

The jocks are saying the same thing the turf is too soft. I'm scratching tomorrow night not worth a horse getting injured.

They cancelled the night's entire card. Wiser heads prevailed.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Looking at night 1 card I was baffled(rail settings?). Was timid and got one on day 2. Exacta obvious was $83. If the east coast is dealing with what we are here in Cincinnati=swirling and continuous storm I get it. Weather has wrecked the week.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Meadowlands used ot have its own Thoroughbred meet. For the first 10 years, it was 100 days. The Meet started on Labor day, ran 6 days per week and ended in mid December. Over the years, the track had many very good graded stakes.
The opening night Stake was the Pegasus Stakes for 3yo at 9f....
There were two 11f turf events the Rutgers and the Queen Charlotte. Each became grade 2's one for 3 and up one for 3 and up f&M.....There were very good graded 2 yo stakes as well. The Gardenia for fillies at 8.5 F and the Young America for Colts. Same distance. Over the years other events were added. One such race was the Ballantyne Scotch Classic at 1 mile and 3/8ths....Always a large field. I got to see John Henry win that one. I saw Seattle Slew get beat by Dr Patches.....Meadowlands had a top notch Thoroughbred meet.
Now, after the harness meet ended, the track crew would add a base, cushion and top loam/sand for the thoroughbreds. Most seasons, the surface held up very well....
The turf course was built as part of the original plan except they decided to eliminate the infield chute( think of the one at Mth and Aqu)
The meadowlands was built as an all purpose racing facility for both breeds.

You are partially correct here except for the way the track was prepped for the t-breds. Once Gural got into the picture(2012) new grandstand opened in November 2013 there was a lot of posturing on both sides, Gural removed the rail as he deemed it wasn't necessary for the harness horses. Drazin looked to have a t-bred all surface meet at the Big M but was met with a lot of BS by Gural. It seemed the cost was a huge factor as Gural stated that it would be about $750,000 to lay down and remove the needed base over the harness course and that just about sealed a no way there is going to be dirt racing for the t-breds. Add to the equation that the last two years of main track racing at the Big M was interrupted due to the track conditions with heavy October rains(erosion)and you have turf only. It is evident these two don't want to work together but I do give Gural a thumbs up for the new grandstand and the NJSEA a thumbs down for not taking down the old grandstand. Lastly we all miss the Big M days where over 18000 people jammed the old grandstand and t-bred racing was at its best, the top NYRA jocks at Belmont by day and at the Big M at night!

[upthecreek]

Back in around 1985-87 somewhere there I was just still a youngster and remember they started simulcasting races I used to go to AC to watch and wager im not even sure if it was really legal yet

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by upthecreek

Back in around 1985-87 somewhere there I was just still a youngster and remember they started simulcasting races I used to go to AC to watch and wager im not even sure if it was really legal yet

As part of the gambling bill in NJ casinos were given the option to open a horse book, many did, but only a few remain today.

[upthecreek]

Originally Posted by onefast99

As part of the gambling bill in NJ casinos were given the option to open a horse book, many did, but only a few remain today.

I meant the old AC racetrack