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08-10-2021, 07:34 PM
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Sure feels like Shared Belief wins that race without that incident, he was only beaten a couple lengths if my memory is correct.
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He lost by 3 3/4, but he lost position in what turned into a merry-go-round race partly because Moreno (the other speed) got taken out along with him. Had that not happen, he would have gotten better position in a race with where Moreno was almost certainly gunning and at least would have made it tougher on Bayern.
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08-11-2021, 05:36 PM
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Sure feels like Shared Belief wins that race without that incident, he was only beaten a couple lengths if my memory is correct.
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I believe he would've won w/o that happening but you never know.
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08-11-2021, 07:22 PM
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I believe he would've won w/o that happening but you never know.
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I was HUGE fan. I was sick when we lost him.
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08-15-2021, 03:45 PM
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Baffert is really trying to tighten the screws on Gamine with her last two works.
111 2/5 and 58 1/5.
That's way faster than she's been working lately.
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08-15-2021, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Baffert is really trying to tighten the screws on Gamine with her last two works.
111 2/5 and 58 1/5.
That's way faster than she's been working lately.
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Drugs must be taking effect....
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08-15-2021, 04:56 PM
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Drugs must be taking effect....
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Therapeutics! 
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08-27-2021, 05:35 PM
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In the 4th at Saratoga, Baffert’s Montebello got bumped hard at the start by a horse veering in. A little Karma? Another few in major stakes and I think we can call it even. 
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09-07-2021, 12:18 PM
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Seeing Pinehurst win the Del Mar Futurity impressively yesterday, I wonder what Baffert's endgame here is. He's suspended by Churchill Downs for 2 years. I'm sure his owners would want to point a horse like that for the Derby.
Is the plan to do a trainer switch right before the Derby next year? To bring a lawsuit right before the race and hope to get a judge who is sports-happy and will ignore the deliberate delaying tactic (which should normally be a ground to deny an injunction). To just skip the Derby?
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09-07-2021, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
Seeing Pinehurst win the Del Mar Futurity impressively yesterday, I wonder what Baffert's endgame here is. He's suspended by Churchill Downs for 2 years. I'm sure his owners would want to point a horse like that for the Derby.
Is the plan to do a trainer switch right before the Derby next year? To bring a lawsuit right before the race and hope to get a judge who is sports-happy and will ignore the deliberate delaying tactic (which should normally be a ground to deny an injunction). To just skip the Derby?
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Speed figure wise that horse isn't much IMO so I think it will be a non-factor. The Futurity and the Debutante were mediocre.
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09-07-2021, 12:31 PM
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Speed figure wise that horse isn't much IMO so I think it will be a non-factor. The Futurity and the Debutante were mediocre.
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As a handicapping matter, I trust your judgment, but owners of the open-lengths winner of the Del Mar Futurity trained by Bob Baffert traditionally point to the Kentucky Derby. So my question still seems relevant.
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09-07-2021, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
As a handicapping matter, I trust your judgment, but owners of the open-lengths winner of the Del Mar Futurity trained by Bob Baffert traditionally point to the Kentucky Derby. So my question still seems relevant.
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I'm sure they'll point that way, but they are a long way off and the hopes will probably be dashed long before. At this point he only can't run in Kentucky, he can prep for the races in SoCal.
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09-07-2021, 12:45 PM
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I'm sure they'll point that way, but they are a long way off and the hopes will probably be dashed long before. At this point he only can't run in Kentucky, he can prep for the races in SoCal.
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Which is why I asked my question. What's the plan if the horse wins the Santa Anita Derby or something? Trainer switch? Last minute lawsuit? Skip the Derby?
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09-07-2021, 12:47 PM
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Which is why I asked my question. What's the plan if the horse wins the Santa Anita Derby or something? Trainer switch? Last minute lawsuit? Skip the Derby?
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I'm sure they'll be a trainer switch. Churchill isn't going to want a worthy horse missing the race. We've seen plenty of switches from Baffert already in Following Sea, Life Is Good, even the horse he owns Du Jour.
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09-07-2021, 01:20 PM
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I'm sure they'll be a trainer switch. Churchill isn't going to want a worthy horse missing the race. We've seen plenty of switches from Baffert already in Following Sea, Life Is Good, even the horse he owns Du Jour.
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I think that Churchill is gonna change their minds after the urine sample somehow proves that it was an ointment and not an injection. It was obvious over the weekend that the Industry intends to wash his "sins" away
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09-07-2021, 01:57 PM
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I think that Churchill is gonna change their minds after the urine sample somehow proves that it was an ointment and not an injection. It was obvious over the weekend that the Industry intends to wash his "sins" away
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And this was part of what I was adverting to.
Here's another way of putting it. If you owned a decent 2 year old right now, would you hire Baffert to train it? I would think for many people, the answer would be "no" because of the Churchill ban, UNLESS you think there's going to be some way to defeat or circumvent the ban.
I could totally see Churchill finding some reason to relax the ban, given the KHRC has left them out there on a limb by not disqualifying the horse or suspending Baffert.
And that's very sad. But the owners may be betting on it.
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