Dutrow's License Revoked for 10 Years

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

He's coming to California for the upcoming Santa Anita meet.

I bet chrb will welcome him with open arms.

[SuperPickle]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I bet chrb will welcome him with open arms.

Of course. Because he has something they need badly.... HORSES.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

I was trying to make the point exclusion is not a cure all. In fact it's rarely effect and often not an option.

The statement the other poster made was "most if not all track can exclude" people they don't want. This is NOT True.

Here are some examples of exclusion...

Tampa Bay Down is privately owned. They were able to successfully exclude Jane Cibelli last meet because of this. Exclusion worked.

Delaware Park is also privately owned. They tried to exclude Juan Vasquez last meet. They were unable to do so. Even though they are privately owned they take money from the state of Delaware through slot subsidies. Therefore anyone who is licensed to race by the state has a right to compete for this money since it is technically the state's funding. So while they were unable to bar him from racing there they were able to bar him from stabling there since it is private property.

Penn National and Parx had the same issue with Burton Sipp in the 90's where the state forced them to let him enter and claim horses but he could not have stalls...

http://articles.philly.com/1993-07-2...iminal-charges

In addition NYRA can not exclude people because the track is owned by the state. That's why they fought for years for the commission to not give Jacobson a license because once he had it they had to let him race. Meadowlands and Monmouth could not exclude people when the NJSEA owned and operated them. They can now. Gural has thrown out some people. I'm not aware of Monmouth doing it.

So in short being privately owned does not mean you can exclude people. Depending on the state and their operating agreement with the state if they take money from the state they might be forced to let those licensed by the state race. Because more and more tracks rely on money coming from non-racing sources tracks are losing a lot of their autonomy in how they operate.

In a perfect world purses would all come from what goes through the windows and the tracks could pick and choose who got to compete. But now they take a lot of money from a lot of other places that comes with a lot of strings.

Exclusion is not a solution to keep bad guys out.
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So Mike Gill was given a suspension based on what premise?

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by cj

Cartagena should be in prison, not just banned.

Please correct me if I'm wrong CJ but wasn't Gregory Martin given jail time for cheating/juicing?

Why not the others?

[westny]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

Jacobson doesn't really "own" the horse. Apparently he has an arrangement with her where instead of paying him for feed, vet, exercise riding, etc she gives him half of any money the horse makes. It's a relatively common arrangement. Lots of trainers take a cut of winning instead of fees and the horses race under an "owners" name. Jacobson had the same deal with Winning Move when he trained for them.

Where its unKosher is he entering horses in the races where she enters her horses. You can't have an financial interest in any other horse you have a horse entered. This includes being able to bet other horses in the race.

I'm floored he wasn't suspended.

He has "pictures"!

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I wonder what's the story with that 'marvelous' horse who won a bunch of races for 'balsamo' at Saratoga, anyone remember the horse I'm talking about? S'mavelous or something like that, was Jacobson the owner of that horse too?

This has been a solid betting angle for me for the past couple of years. Through formulator and research, I was able to connect Basalmo and DJ "together". I didn't know what, why, where, how or who but I knew that there was something that connected them and when horses were entered by her at NYRA I assumed DJ had his hand involved. I bet accordingly.

PO'd this came out.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

This has been a solid betting angle for me for the past couple of years. Through formulator and research, I was able to connect Basalmo and DJ "together". I didn't know what, why, where, how or who but I knew that there was something that connected them and when horses were entered by her at NYRA I assumed DJ had his hand involved. I bet accordingly.

PO'd this came out.

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Sara...st-race-spill/

Read the comments under "6th race" seems like this Balsamo/Jacobson connection has been going on for a decade or who knows how long.

They ought to go back and dig into this and take some more purses away.

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Sara...st-race-spill/

Read the comments under "6th race" seems like this Balsamo/Jacobson connection has been going on for a decade or who knows how long.

They ought to go back and dig into this and take some more purses away.

Where were you when I suspected one of the ex girffriends was cheating a decade ago ???

[EMD4ME]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Sara...st-race-spill/

Read the comments under "6th race" seems like this Balsamo/Jacobson connection has been going on for a decade or who knows how long.

They ought to go back and dig into this and take some more purses away.

Sure....as soon as you and I get letters sent directly to our homes, giving validation that the 8-3 exacta at Yonkers and the Fairplex screw job were proven true AND a check from a class action lawsuit is mailed to the both of us THEN I'll say they'll dig deeper.

[EMD4ME]

And then after that I can get my money back for the A ONE ROCKET race

Horse came back to the winner's circle with a carvel sign hanging on his saddlecloth

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by EMD4ME

And then after that I can get my money back for the A ONE ROCKET race

Horse came back to the winner's circle with a carvel sign hanging on his saddlecloth

It's nice they got around to looking at hidden ownership after oh, I don't know, a decade.

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

It's nice they got around to looking at hidden ownership after oh, I don't know, a decade.

I'm sure you realize there are many ways to manipulate the system by all those involved. It happens a lot more than you could ever imagine. Maybe now that Jacobson got caught may keep others from trying or continuuing the same shenanigans.

[EasyGoer89]

So I guess it's been about 5 years that 'babe' has been 'off the program' as trainer. I would say that 5 years is plenty, he ought to be welcomed back into the game under a tight leash AND only if he can prove he's not been training horses under a beard all these years. I say let him back if he's been a good boy.

Any thoughts on babe coming back into the sport and getting his sentence reduced for good behavior?

[no breathalyzer]

the question that pops my mind is who is he bearding for besides the obvious one that everyone knows... or thinks they know ... if he is doing this he is doing a great job staying under the radar

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by EasyGoer89

So I guess it's been about 5 years that 'babe' has been 'off the program' as trainer. I would say that 5 years is plenty, he ought to be welcomed back into the game under a tight leash AND only if he can prove he's not been training horses under a beard all these years. I say let him back if he's been a good boy.

Any thoughts on babe coming back into the sport and getting his sentence reduced for good behavior?

Yeah, WHY?...