Religion II

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by Actor

Attempting to suppress a belief through logic and argument is not the same thing as attempting to suppress expression of that belief. The latter is censorship. The former is not.

Anyone want to discuss the flat earth theory?

Argumentum ad populum. The fallacy of appeal to the masses. Truth is not determined by a vote.

Be that as it may, 51% is way below the 98% of the general U.S. population who are theists. Among people with post graduate degrees, not necessarily scientists, the number is 60%. Among physicists the number is about 40%. And only 7% of elite scientists, those who might possibly win a Nobel Prize, are theists. I think these numbers are from PEW research.

And these number are from the U.S., the most religious nation on earth outside of Muslim countries. I think you will find that if you exclude the U.S., Muslim countries, third world countries, and communist countries atheism accounts for more than 50% of the population.

For what it's worth the 98% figure above is from William Lane Craig.

Only if you used logic BTW I made no argument of fallacy. You made a comment and I agreed with your assessment about your opinion being unpopular, using a poll of your peers (scientists) to demonstrate the unpopularity of your opinion. Also, if you include the whole world the AAAS poll shows a higher percentage, than 51%, of scientists are theists.

You just sling b.s. with the hope something sticks.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Of course you are trying to suppress, you denying the existence of the Christian God is an attempt to suppress belief in such.

You are correct your communistic propaganda view is not a popular view, even among scientists. According to the most recent AAAS poll, 51 percent of U.S. scientists are theists.

Serious question:

Is there more proof backing the existence of the "Christian God" than there is supporting the existence of extraterrestrial beings?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Serious question:

Is there more proof backing the existence of the "Christian God" than there is supporting the existence of extraterrestrial beings?

Serious? Did any classical Greek philosophers or other respected philosophers create philosophies supporting the existence of extraterrestrial beings?

I don't understand the premise of your serious question. Does the existence or non-existence of alien life have a direct causal relationship to the existence of God?

[Show Me the Wire]

Maybe this will help?


Funes has said for years that there’s no conflict between the possibility of alien life — even intelligent life — and the teachings of the Catholic Church. “Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on Earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God,” Funes said in 2008. “This is not in contrast with our faith because we can’t put limits on God’s creative freedom.”

“To say it as St. Francis [of Assisi], if we consider some earthly creatures as ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ why couldn’t we also talk of an ‘extraterrestrial brother’? He would also belong to creation,” he said.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/05/...-and-rockland/

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Serious? Did any classical Greek philosophers or other respected philosophers create philosophies supporting the existence of extraterrestrial beings?

I don't understand the premise of your serious question. Does the existence or non-existence of alien life have a direct causal relationship to the existence of God?

No. I am just wondering if, by proposing that there are no extraterrestrials...I am somehow "suppressing the beliefs" of those who believe otherwise...as you suggested to Actor in post #6538.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

No. I am just wondering if, by proposing that there are no extraterrestrials...I am somehow "suppressing the beliefs" of those who believe otherwise...as you suggested to Actor in post #6538.

All I pointed out to Actor is that he exhibited the same behavior he accused boxcar as exhibiti

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

People who spend time writing so much time writing about fictional characters aren't normal in the head.

I didn't realize you had a degree in psychiatry. That's quite a claim. Do you have research to back it up, Dr. Boxcar? After all, you made the claim so the burden of proof is yours.

Of course I must point out that you spend quite a lot of time writing about fictional characters, namely Yahweh and Jesus. Physician, heal thyself.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

I didn't realize you had a degree in psychiatry. That's quite a claim. Do you have research to back it up, Dr. Boxcar? After all, you made the claim so the burden of proof is yours.

Of course I must point out that you spend quite a lot of time writing about fictional characters, namely Yahweh and Jesus. Physician, heal thyself.

Well...there's one "tiny, teeny" difference between you and me: I know God lives because he lives in me. The fictional thing is your claim. Prove it.

And I don't need a degree in psychiatry to observe abnormal behavior. Do I need a degree to figure out that someone who never smiles or laughs, as one example, is abnormal? Or how about someone who habitually engages in self-destructive behavior such as banging his head against the wall? And then there are those who spill tons of ink writing about persons they don't believe exist.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I know God lives because he lives in me.

How do you know it's not GERD?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

And then there are those who spill tons of ink writing about persons they can't prove exist.

FTFY!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

How do you know it's not GERD?

How do you know you're not very poorly programmed robot?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

FTFY!

You're not capable of fixing anything. You've been broken all your life.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

How do you know you're not very poorly programmed robot?

I am an excellently programmed robot thank you very much.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You've been broken all your life.

And you have been broken all your life. Isn't that what your religion teaches?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

And you have been broken all your life. Isn't that what your religion teaches?

Only up to the time the Great Physician healed me and saved me from myself.