All In One

[Jaguar]

Kitts, just saw All In One in action at OTB, on my friend's laptop- handled Gulstream nicely. Good program- but a bit of a shock to users of the old version.

Code Monkey dropped the reports. Amazing, -All In One users need and want the reports, I am sure.

Buyers are apparently not even aware that the reports have been taken out.

I don't think All In One veterans will spring for this version in any great numbers. Cynthia needs to correct this and to send anyone who has paid for the new version a free add-on, upgrade disc- with the missing reports.

How treacherous the murky software waters can be for the unwary. Especially considering how much money is involved.

Welcome to the world of horse handicapping software, let the buyer beware.

Kitts, you are a guy who is close to the throne- our very own insider- please fill us in.

Thanks.

All The Best,

Jaguar

[cato]

Jaguar--

Well I'm no Kitts, but I have seen a lot of computer programs and the latest version of All in One is an excellent windows based program. While they did drop the reports (and did a poor job of informing people that they were not going to be included), I understand that the reports and many other features will be included in a free upgrade/supplement that is scheduled to be out this summer.

Take care, Cato

[Jaguar]

Cato, thanks for the update. Cynthia has always been a dependable operation and I'm glad that they're stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility.

It's a bit of a shock when a developer announces a major upgrade and then shorts the buyer on fundamental features.

Terrible judgment on Cynthia's part.

Glad we have this Forum to get the word out.

All The Best,

Jaguar

[headhawg]

Originally posted by Jaguar
It's a bit of a shock when a developer announces a major upgrade and then shorts the buyer on fundamental features.

They're not starting to use the M$ business model, are they?

[kitts]

As cato points out, the Reports will be part of the free V6 upgrade. The monumental job of re-coding V5 took such a very long time a decision was made to get V6 out and give the Reports as a free upgrade. Now the people can have a multi-platform program and still get the Reports feature.
Codemonkey is now beating his brains out to get the Reports thing working as well as the rest of V6

[Jaguar]

Kitts, thanks for jumping in. Good to hear that Cynthia's on the job.

All The Best,

Jaguar

[Jaguar]

headhawg,

some of us old-timers have grown a bit wary over the years.

In the late 80's and early 90's, developers were disappearing like draft-eligible men in 1968.

Usually they just took the money and ran. Some, like RaceCom, actually delivered the product, but most of the time it was unusable or hopelessly inadequate.

Even today we have guys peddling handicapping programs which are grossly over-priced. One popular program sells for $400 and uses 18 factors in analyzing pp's, and misses the typical trainer tricks and stunts. Great program for picking favorites, though.

(Just to clarify this point. The other day, a Gulfstream trainer who runs Maiden Claimers, entered a "stretch out" horse, hit him with the juice- or something, and the animal- running in its usual class, showing nothing in its most recent 2- but putting in a big finish 3 races back-closed strongly and won, at a huge Mutuel.

The trainer in question has a habit of doing this-(coloring an animal's form)- and the smart software caught this pattern. The basic speed and pace discs missed it completely.)

If this complicated, subtle game could be beaten by picking winning overlays based on a breakdown of 18 factors, there would be alot of wealthy handicappers in this country.

$30 horses would pay $4.00 and handicappers would eventually lose interest and would start looking at commodity futures trading, instead.

I notice that a few folks who post on this board will rush to extoll some ho-hum handicapping program, telling us that they're making good money with it- and then 2 months later they are advertising the same program for sale.

We've got one intense "fan" on here who "loves" the new program he bought- a program which a couple of guys touted on PA- the only thing is, this $400 software only works on certain types of races. So now he just waits for those races.

The fact that a reputable company, such as Cynthia, shipped All In One stripped of its features, is only mildly surprising-considering the way that so many Pirates have sashayed through the handicapping ranks in the past.

At least Cynthia shipped the product(and it really works), and is willing to make good on the shorted features.

All The Best,

Jaguar

[LOU M.]

Which program/s provided you with this trainer insight.I have been looking for software which could analyze trainer data and learn so it could project trainer intent.

[sq764]

Louie, Propace does that.

www.a1handicapping.com

[Jeevan]

bris files
speaking of all-in-one, does anyone know of a method of using bris files with all-in-one V5. Can it be done? I purchased a full version of V5 from cynthia and then decided to use bris leaving the software unuseable. ---Jeevan

[Speed Figure]

Originally posted by Jeevan
bris files
speaking of all-in-one, does anyone know of a method of using bris files with all-in-one V5. Can it be done? I purchased a full version of V5 from cynthia and then decided to use bris leaving the software unuseable. ---Jeevan

There is no method. You use HDW or use nothing!

[Jaguar]

Lou,

All-Ways Pro. version, ProPace, Multi-Strats v.7.5(Titan).

All The best,

Jaguar

[Richard]

After recently purchasing AIO V6,I spoke with CM over the phone and he assured me that the reports feature will be included in the summer update.I also told him that I hoped he would also include stuff like Toteboard Utilities (very good for figuring place/show prices)that I have on my Easy Capper program.
Richard

[andicap]

Originally posted by sq764
Louie, Propace does that.

www.a1handicapping.com

How does Propace track trainer trends? I'm a little familiar with the old DOS version and I looked up the new Windows on the website and it seems all Propace does is give pace figures and LJ's longshot moves and a betting line......

[Jaguar]

Andicap, some programs use common trainer angles, gimmicks, tricks and stunts as handicapping criteria- without maintaining a database of individual trainer patterns.

A few expert systems discs analyze specific, individual trainer patterns- in concert with a variety of algorithms written to identify well-known moves.

In a track-specific model, when a handicapping program finds a strong individual trainer, and when that trainer enters a horse which shows pp's matching the stats common to winners in that type of race, the computer screen really lights up.

Old-time handicappers sometimes refer to such an animal as a "Profile" horse. In other words, a horse which fits the profile of a winner.

Horse programs which handicap trainer angles without maintaining a database of individual trainer patterns are operating under real limitations.

None of these "trainer pattern" programs are of any interest to the vast majority of OTB veterans, who live and die by the Beyer numbers- and who scoff at the notion that a race horse's conditioner has any influence at all on the outcome of a race.

Some "trainer tracking" handicappers hope that this situation will continue, say for- another 20 years or so. -But then, some of these guys are particularly mercenary individuals.

All The Best,

Jaguar