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10-20-2014, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
How do you know what William Hill will offer? Link?
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Everything I have read says it will be only offered at casinos and tracks. Have you read anywhere that it will be offered online or by phone?
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10-20-2014, 01:35 PM
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#422
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Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz
Sports betting in nj will bury the local books ....
When people got money they will go to the track and bet with cash up
When the players are broke they will bet with the book.....a doomsday scenario for the rotten scummy books
For the record I hate bookmakers the scumbags for years sat on there fat ass and and answered the phone....now they got internet sites that do it for them
Now things are changing
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It may only bury the books if people can bet the way they currently bet with the books.
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10-20-2014, 01:36 PM
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#423
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Originally Posted by olddaddy
Everything I have read says it will be only offered at casinos and tracks. Have you read anywhere that it will be offered online or by phone?
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Only at Monmouth Park to start no other venues as of yet. No phone or internet for quite a while.
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10-20-2014, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by castaway01
I don't believe NJ will win the federal legal challenge, but if it did the casinos and state would definitely benefit.
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Nfl have filed for injuctive relief becuase they think that nj is still in violation of paspa due to its repealing sports betting laws for only racetracksand casinos.
Not sure ifthey have a leg to stand on with this tact since the third circuit hasalready ruled that it is up to the state to determine their own laws regarding sportsbetting
Allan
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10-20-2014, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
No they don't. They have several legal options.
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Aucually the lawsuit they just filed for injuctive relief states that they are asking for relief due to jersey still being in violation of PASPA despite of the laws on jersey books that deregulate sports betting,
Not sure how that will fly in court but we shall see tomorrow.
Allan
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10-20-2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
of course they do, that's how lawyer's stay in business
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good one
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10-20-2014, 07:37 PM
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Has anybody put up a line yet if you will be able to place a legal sports wager in New Jersey on Sunday, Oct. 26.
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10-20-2014, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
Has anybody put up a line yet if you will be able to place a legal sports wager in New Jersey on Sunday, Oct. 26.
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The line is even money that you do an about face once SW is up and running.
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10-20-2014, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
The line is even money that you do an about face once SW is up and running.
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I sure hope we all live that long!!
Lawyers = delays and more delays.
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10-20-2014, 09:46 PM
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10-21-2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
I sure hope we all live that long!!
Lawyers = delays and more delays.
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Should be a nice day Sunday at MP enjoy!
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10-21-2014, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
Should be a nice day Sunday at MP enjoy!
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What is different now from the ruling of March 2013?
Same Judge.
Shipp granted the leagues’ request for an injunction because he felt the leagues had “demonstrated irreparable injury” would befall them as a result of increased legal sports betting. Shipp’s decision was also based on his belief that “no hardship will befall” New Jersey by not having legal sports betting.
Shipp acknowledged that some of the legal questions raised by this case were “novel” but ultimately decided that the dreaded “judicial activism” was “generally unwarranted no matter how unwise a court considers a policy decision of the legislative branch.” As a result, Shipp suggested the only remedy for New Jersey was to convince Congress to revise or abolish PASPA. There are currently two federal bills seeking to alter the sports betting landscape, both of which were filed by New Jersey pols, neither of which is likely to make any headway anytime soon.
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10-21-2014, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
What is different now from the ruling of March 2013?
Same Judge.
Shipp granted the leagues’ request for an injunction because he felt the leagues had “demonstrated irreparable injury” would befall them as a result of increased legal sports betting. Shipp’s decision was also based on his belief that “no hardship will befall” New Jersey by not having legal sports betting.
Shipp acknowledged that some of the legal questions raised by this case were “novel” but ultimately decided that the dreaded “judicial activism” was “generally unwarranted no matter how unwise a court considers a policy decision of the legislative branch.” As a result, Shipp suggested the only remedy for New Jersey was to convince Congress to revise or abolish PASPA. There are currently two federal bills seeking to alter the sports betting landscape, both of which were filed by New Jersey pols, neither of which is likely to make any headway anytime soon.
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What I have said all along. NJ will no doubt appeal. Maybe the supreme court will side with NJ but I have my doubts. The Roberts court has done crazier things. That is about NJ's only hope.
No chance that a bill pass the house with current make up. As a person involved on the periphery of trying legalize online poker, I have a feel where the votes are. They are not there in house, not even close. In the senate there might be 51 votes but not 60. There are at least 5 "openly opposed to gambling" democratic senators. Their votes would have to offset by republicans. I am not sure that would happen. It would take some horsetrading to get to 60 and these days republicans are scared to horsetrade. Even then you would still have get all of the "libertarian" republican senators. I don't think that is a given. Nobody knows if Obama would veto it.
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10-21-2014, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
What is different now from the ruling of March 2013?
Same Judge.
Shipp granted the leagues’ request for an injunction because he felt the leagues had “demonstrated irreparable injury” would befall them as a result of increased legal sports betting. Shipp’s decision was also based on his belief that “no hardship will befall” New Jersey by not having legal sports betting.
Shipp acknowledged that some of the legal questions raised by this case were “novel” but ultimately decided that the dreaded “judicial activism” was “generally unwarranted no matter how unwise a court considers a policy decision of the legislative branch.” As a result, Shipp suggested the only remedy for New Jersey was to convince Congress to revise or abolish PASPA. There are currently two federal bills seeking to alter the sports betting landscape, both of which were filed by New Jersey pols, neither of which is likely to make any headway anytime soon.
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What has changed is what the 3rd circuit stated what jersey has to do in order to have sports betting at its racetracks and casinos,that is change their sports betting laws, they did.
If the injuction was a slam dunk, shipp would have not have postponed action on the injunction today.
He is bound by the 3rd circuit opinion, in other words he can't say their opinion is doo-doo.
What he can say is that even though jersey repealed its sports betting laws they are still somehow authorizing it by law and grant the request for injunction.
Very thin legal ice.
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10-21-2014, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SandyW
What is different now from the ruling of March 2013?
Same Judge.
Shipp granted the leagues’ request for an injunction because he felt the leagues had “demonstrated irreparable injury” would befall them as a result of increased legal sports betting. Shipp’s decision was also based on his belief that “no hardship will befall” New Jersey by not having legal sports betting.
Shipp acknowledged that some of the legal questions raised by this case were “novel” but ultimately decided that the dreaded “judicial activism” was “generally unwarranted no matter how unwise a court considers a policy decision of the legislative branch.” As a result, Shipp suggested the only remedy for New Jersey was to convince Congress to revise or abolish PASPA. There are currently two federal bills seeking to alter the sports betting landscape, both of which were filed by New Jersey pols, neither of which is likely to make any headway anytime soon.
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i have been handicapping pro football nonstop now for the past 2 days, does this mean that i can't make a bet this weekend?
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