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Old 10-19-2014, 10:22 PM   #406
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The law as written and passed congress and signed by the president. Never said it was fair, only that it is the law.
Here's the rub. Nevada sanctions the activity. NJ Will not. There is no state oversight other than current statutes that protect consumers of any other product.
Remember the statute in question is a federal law. NJ Has no obligation to assist the federal government in enforcing federal law.
The federal law definition of the entities to which the law applies are "the term “governmental entity” means a State, a political subdivision of a State, or an entity or organization,in section 4(5) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (25 U.S.C. 2703 (5)), that has governmental authority within the territorial boundaries of the United States, including on lands described in section 4(4) of such Act (25 U.S.C. 2703 (4)),"
It shall be unlawful for—
(1) a governmental entity to sponsor, operate, advertise, promote, license, or authorize by law or compact, or
(2) a person to sponsor, operate, advertise, or promote, pursuant to the law or compact of a governmental entity,

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/3704

In numerous places within the Code, the term "government" or government entity is mentioned as the focus of the law.
Since NJ is not sponsoring nor promoting( by definition of the new State Statute) the federal law does not apply.
See the definition of the term "loophole"....
Unless the federal government writes legislation to cover ALL entities, public and private, any injunction sought to stay the NJ law would be moot because the state of NJ is technically not in violation of the federal law. Their hands are clean. And because the law does not apply to the racetracks and casinos, again any action is moot because of the wording of the law.
Now, I can see the pro sports leagues perhaps asking their legal teams to start working to find case law and perhaps file suits in civil court, but they may be concerned about other issues.
Of course I could be wrong on this stuff as I am not an attorney.
I read the text of the law on the above provided link. This is to my understanding.
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:26 PM   #407
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Thespaah, New Jersey is so beautiful it's called the "Garden State"......just get rid of it's residents, and problem solved.
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Old 10-20-2014, 01:12 AM   #408
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glad they didn't open this weekend, i would have been 0/3
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:34 AM   #409
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I understand Robert Goren is also an attorney.
Either that or he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I am not a lawyer nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express. What I did do was pay attention to the teacher in high school American History class. I understand your frustration. But the answer is to repel the federal law.
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Old 10-20-2014, 07:39 AM   #410
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That "one court decision" is the 3rd court of appeals opinion that SCOTUS refused to grant a writ of certiorari on appeal, Therefore it is the opinion of record regarding sports wagering in the United States. Really doubtful that a lower court would go against it. (like no chance).

The court clearly allows a state to circumvent PASPA by contouring its sports betting as it chooses.

New Jersey choose to deregulate its sports betting laws for racetracks and casinos.

It is now up to the NFL to prove that Jersey is somehow still authorizing by law sports betting.

Bet their lawyers have been up the last few nights. ;-)

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No they don't. They have several legal options.
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Old 10-20-2014, 08:04 AM   #411
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No they don't. They have several legal options.
of course they do, that's how lawyer's stay in business
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Old 10-20-2014, 11:03 AM   #412
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If sports wagering somehow makes it, New Jersey will find out real quick that sports wagering has been oversold and will under produce and never live up to the promises made just like what happened in Atlantic City.

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Old 10-20-2014, 11:11 AM   #413
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Sports gambling is huge but not the way it will set up in NJ. If sports gambling was set up the way horses can played, money would be pouring in but not by just going to a track or casino.
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Old 10-20-2014, 11:13 AM   #414
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If sports wagering somehow makes it, New Jersey will find out real quick that sports wagering has been oversold and will under produce and never live up to the promises made just like what happened in Atlantic City.
AC has nothing to do with SW being successful at this juncture the economy and neighboring states put a limit on the number of casinos in AC that would have been successful, AC decided to overkill the landscape combined with political fraud and the inability to do a Las Vegas style mall where people could walk, shop, eat and gamble. No one wanted to see AC go through what it is going through but the poor planning and management of the city itself is also partially to blame. SW will do very well in NJ, hopefully after you win a few times on your bets you too will comment in a more positive way on its merits.
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Old 10-20-2014, 11:23 AM   #415
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Sports gambling is huge but not the way it will set up in NJ. If sports gambling was set up the way horses can played, money would be pouring in but not by just going to a track or casino.
How do you know what William Hill will offer? Link?
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:01 PM   #416
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Sports gambling is huge but not the way it will set up in NJ.
Depends on what you mean. If other states don't offer SW in the near future after NJ legalizing, SW will indeed be huge for AC and NJ. It rounds out the gambling experience, and literally tens of thousands of people will come and stay in AC who wouldn't otherwise. Hotels will be sold out several weekends per year [super bowl, NCAA tourney], and considerably fuller every NFL and NCAA football weekend. It's a big deal.

Of course the online piece is the true home run, and what real gamblers want - so they can sit at home and have everything catered to them. But that won't help a destination with hotels, restaurants, etc as much. SW matters to AC because of the ancillary revenue streams, and thus if the purpose is really to help AC and NJ racing then there will be no hurry to get the online component rushed through.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:17 PM   #417
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Sports betting in nj will bury the local books ....

When people got money they will go to the track and bet with cash up

When the players are broke they will bet with the book.....a doomsday scenario for the rotten scummy books

For the record I hate bookmakers the scumbags for years sat on there fat ass and and answered the phone....now they got internet sites that do it for them

Now things are changing
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:21 PM   #418
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Sports betting in nj will bury the local books ....

When people got money they will go to the track and bet with cash up

When the players are broke they will bet with the book.....a doomsday scenario for the rotten scummy books

For the record I hate bookmakers the scumbags for years sat on there fat ass and and answered the phone....now they got internet sites that do it for them

Now things are changing
Why hate the books? They provide a valuable service. Try walking in and getting an unsecured, no-interest line of credit from a banker.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:22 PM   #419
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If sports wagering somehow makes it, New Jersey will find out real quick that sports wagering has been oversold and will under produce and never live up to the promises made just like what happened in Atlantic City.
Atlantic City did not become a rich, booming resort, but the casinos did just fine for 30 years---until casinos were opened in all surrounding states. Unless every surrounding state does the same with sports betting, NJ can only benefit from the additional gambling dollars.

I don't believe NJ will win the federal legal challenge, but if it did the casinos and state would definitely benefit.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:37 PM   #420
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Why hate the books? They provide a valuable service. Try walking in and getting an unsecured, no-interest line of credit from a banker.
I agree on that....

Can't tell you how many books I've stiffed over my lifetime....

My favorite was stiff the book for 1700 and then have somebody else who bets with him put in my plays and get paid from him
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