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03-12-2014, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
A few lengths, 3 or 4, tried to move and couldn't get very close.
As for the track, if you've been watching today, I don't really see how a speed bias is the conclusion. Dirt always slants towards speed somewhat, but overly biased? I don't think so.
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I have made a lot of money at Gulfstream lately, speed has been having a huge edge. Especially lone speed on the front end, no matter how good you are you it is tough to run them down there. I wouldn't put it past them to slow it down for Honor Code today though. I will have to watch the replays and look at the times.
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03-12-2014, 05:38 PM
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chart says pretty fast - at finish said track record
Fractions: :241, :472, 1:103, 1:343, 1:404 (:24.32, :47.52, 1:10.70, 1:34.68, 1:40.97)
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03-12-2014, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by davew
chart says pretty fast - at finish said track record
Fractions: :241, :472, 1:103, 1:343, 1:404 (:24.32, :47.52, 1:10.70, 1:34.68, 1:40.97)
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I cant blame him for not running down those SLOW opening fractions. Almost impossible at that track right now. Or he wasn't ready, either way he has shown he closing stride's can be amazing. Get him back to the BIG A and see what happens... 
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03-12-2014, 07:05 PM
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I think Honor Code more or less ran as expected today. He's probably not 100%, but it wasn't a bad effort. He finished 17 lengths ahead of the 3rd horse despite making his move early.
IMO, if you are the "class horse" and you want to win, the right thing to do in this kind of spot is to make that middle move early and put some heat on the cheaper loose speed. That will usually make the cheaper speed crack even if it was loose on an easy lead. There was nobody behind him he had to worry about.
The shock was that when he DID try to make the middle move he failed to get even close. That other horse had a whole new and better gear than he did. That leads me to believe the winner was "legit" and ran a huge race. IMO it wasn't just a matter of him getting an easy lead.
IMHO both horse's form is still a little cloudy.
Honor Code's first start was on wet, he benefited a little from a fast pace in the Champagne, the Remson was run in such a fluky manner it's hard to draw to much from it, and in this race he missed some training coming in. So you really have to wonder how good is he is and how much he'll move forward.
The winner caught a speed biased track that surely didn't hurt him first time out and was loose today from the rail in a small field, but he did totally "freak" today and run much faster.
I'm not sure if I want to bet on or against these horses next time out. I'm not sure what to expect from either one next time out. But I have a funny feeling someone is going to make a huge offer for the winner very soon off the speed figure.
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03-12-2014, 07:19 PM
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I agree with you . i think the winner might be the best three year old in fla right now.
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03-12-2014, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i couldn't disagree more. if he can't win this race how is he going to win the stake race?
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It's called a prep race for a reason... How did game on Dude lose to Blingo then come back and beat will take Charge and MMM? Happens all the time in this game
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03-12-2014, 07:37 PM
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I wonder if Luis Contreras will keep the potential "Derby" horse or if they will opt for someone else. Gutierrez was able to keep his Derby horse a few years ago.
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03-12-2014, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
That was embarrassing for Honor Code.
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Lol really?
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03-12-2014, 07:58 PM
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Is social inclusion triple crown nominated?
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03-12-2014, 08:17 PM
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Social Inclusion looked pretty darn fast...Two months ago, the stables of TAP & Baffert looked loaded for the Triple Crown, but with every passing week they just get lower & lower on ammo--maybe one of their backers will come calling w/ checkbook in hand?
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03-12-2014, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tanner12oz
Is social inclusion triple crown nominated?
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Yes !
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03-12-2014, 08:48 PM
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I am sure offers are coming in for SI. Contreras could of been texting as he just had to hang on.
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03-12-2014, 08:55 PM
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IMO It's the 1 1/16 distance at GP.If you give even an average speed horse the rail and an easy lead at that distance it's pretty much over.
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03-12-2014, 09:48 PM
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Florida looks stacked and some of these horses are going to have to ship elsewhere
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