Honor Code Allowance

[turninforhome10]

Looking at Honor Code and taking the Remsen win into consideration, I came up with this.
The Remsen has produced 4 KY Derby winners since it's inception in 1959.
Carry Back- Won Flamingo and Florida Derby
Northern Dancer- Won the Flamingo and Florida Derby
Go For Gin-2nd FOY Stakes, 4th Florida Derby
Thunder Gulch-Won FOY Stakes and Florida Derby
All through Florida and were in both preps.
Looking at the allowance on Wed, the question for me becomes this?
With the speedy blowout last and the look of a very slow field barring the , do you send the horse? or will his class just blow by the others in the stretch.
It looks to be a bit of match race between Honor Code and Social Inclusion.
Social Inclusion is race fit, comes off a very nice maiden score, drops 3 pounds of the win and gets first Lasix. If he can stretch out, which his pedigree says yes, he could give Honor Code a good fight.
This is the last time Honor Code will face a field like this, maybe?
With Cairo Prince lurking in his future the connections better get all they can out of this dream prep.

[cj]

Originally Posted by davew

looks like Wed 3/12 Race 8 at Gulfstream Park

Wow, two completely outmatched horses in a five horse field. Can't wait for this one.

[letswastemoney]

Ta Bueno lost a 25k claimer by 10 lengths. If he doesn't lose this race by at least 20 or 30 lengths, that would seem strange.

[Maximillion]

The We're All Set actually looks kind of interesting to me.No doubt moving forward....just wish there were more than 5 horses in the race.

[andtheyreoff]

Here's the past performances if anyone was wondering:
http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_vi...param3=1143952

To me, if We're All Set can't finish ahead of Mexikoma and Tonalist, he won't be ahead of Honor Code. IMO, the only horse who's got even a remote chance of beating Honor Code is Social Inclusion.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Looking at Honor Code and taking the Remsen win into consideration, I came up with this.
The Remsen has produced 4 KY Derby winners since it's inception in 1959.
Carry Back- Won Flamingo and Florida Derby
Northern Dancer- Won the Flamingo and Florida Derby
Go For Gin-2nd FOY Stakes, 4th Florida Derby
Thunder Gulch-Won FOY Stakes and Florida Derby
All through Florida and were in both preps.
Looking at the allowance on Wed, the question for me becomes this?
With the speedy blowout last and the look of a very slow field barring the , do you send the horse? or will his class just blow by the others in the stretch.
It looks to be a bit of match race between Honor Code and Social Inclusion.
Social Inclusion is race fit, comes off a very nice maiden score, drops 3 pounds of the win and gets first Lasix. If he can stretch out, which his pedigree says yes, he could give Honor Code a good fight.
This is the last time Honor Code will face a field like this, maybe?
With Cairo Prince lurking in his future the connections better get all they can out of this dream prep.

Call me crazy but I send the jockey out minus a whip.Let him do whatever.

[bgbootha]

You have to send him, if you let the Social Inclusion off on the lead by himself, you will have to run a hell of a stretch to catch him. You go after it, sit just off the , but you can't give Social Inclusion a few lengths and expect to run him down.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by bgbootha

You have to send him, if you let the Social Inclusion off on the lead by himself, you will have to run a hell of a stretch to catch him. You go after it, sit just off the , but you can't give Social Inclusion a few lengths and expect to run him down.

It's a prep.

Honor Code is going to run his race. He'll stalk the pace and if he fires he'll tackle the leader at the top of the stretch.

[turninforhome10]

Hey Cincy,
Are we gonna learn anything about the quality of Cairo Prince from the Honor Code race?

[Ray]

Originally Posted by Leparoux

Not saying I'm against the move but you have to go back 70 years to find this example? Hm.

That doesn't mean anything.. The reason u don't have a lot of successful examples is because there aren't many that try this.. I bet over the last 70 years u probably have less than 5 examples of a top rated derby horse taking this route. Today's game is totally different and I think it can be done. I'm not gonna be waiting in line to bet this horse but if he pulled it off it wouldn't be a shock at all. I'd rather see a stat like this move is 0 for 62 the last 70 years at least that tells u something but 0 for 5 (or whatever it really is) doesn't tell u anything.

[classhandicapper]

I don't think Shug cares much about whether Honor Code gets beat as long as he runs well. What I think they didn't want to do was ship him to face other very good horses while he's still less than 100% and get him buried. They just want to get something out of this race, though they would obviously rather see him win.

All that said, IMO there is a difference between running style and whether a horse is fast or slow. IMO Honor Code is a VERY fast horse. We saw that in his debut. His high gear was cooking. So if they do want to win, I think he's got the speed to put some heat on the #1 with a middle move.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Hey Cincy,
Are we gonna learn anything about the quality of Cairo Prince from the Honor Code race?

I don't think so.They met in a sit and wait race.It was yet another Aqueduct perversity for 2-3yo ala last year's Wood!

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I don't think Shug cares much about whether Honor Code gets beat as long as he runs well. What I think they didn't want to do was ship him to face other very good horses while he's still less than 100% and get him buried. They just want to get something out of this race, though they would obviously rather see him win.

All that said, IMO there is a difference between running style and whether a horse is fast or slow. IMO Honor Code is a VERY fast horse. We saw that in his debut. His high gear was cooking. So if they do want to win, I think he's got the speed to put some heat on the #1 with a middle move.

Couldn't agree more Class.

[lamboguy]

i couldn't disagree more. if he can't win this race how is he going to win the stake race?

[cj]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i couldn't disagree more. if he can't win this race how is he going to win the stake race?

Why would he be geared up to win? He has 0 points for the Derby, so he better be 100% next time, not today.