Belmont Park is adding a synthetic track for 2024 meet

[Profesor]

[QUOTE=Tom;2864851]That is a pretty bold statement.
Can you back it with facts?

Like percentage of winnimng favs, average payoff, you know, real life results.

And if fav win 30% instead of 40%, ist that good? Don't we all complain favs win all the time so there are no betting opportunities?

GP would a place to statr, the same wagring crowd, basically, has all three surfaces.......[/QUOTE

One I thing that I find out very quickly is that traditional handicapping methods don’t work on Synthetics, the best and profitable handicappers that I know gave up betting Gulfstream altogether,Jon Hardoon of the Ragozin SHEETS used to do a zoom seminar during their championship meet he gave up after 3 days I quote what he said (Tapeta makes me look stupid) and believe me he is a very bright all around handicapper.

[Profesor]

Thanks

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Profesor

Wrong, Gulfstream is writing races for Tapeta some days there more races on Tapeta than dirt and turf combined that has turned their championship meet into the ChampionshiT meet and handle is way down.

They have to card more Tapeta surface races, as the turf is in the worst shape I've ever seen.

[lamboguy]

on balance i would say that the synthetic surface will turn out real well during the winter months for Belmont. they are now going to get some of the horses that ran at Woodbine to make bigger fields.

before the synthetic surface at Gulfstream it was pretty good for me because i never played a Canadien synthetic horse on regular dirt, and never did to much of anything until the surface was added.

[Profesor]

If they use the Tapeta for off the turf races and in the winter it’s
Great , but if they go the Gulfstream way and write Tapeta races during their prime meets it will be bad,

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

They have to card more Tapeta surface races, as the turf is in the worst shape I've ever seen.

totally right. the whole year racing is taking its toll. in places like Tampa and Mountaineer they protect their turf by never running when they might damage it. there used to be a day when the horses had to be high priced claimers, allowance or stake horses to run on the turf. today they are using lower tags in Hallendale.

[dilanesp]

It's interesting that synthetic tracks were conceived as a substitute for dirt and may actually be a substitute for turf.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It's interesting that synthetic tracks were conceived as a substitute for dirt and may actually be a substitute for turf.

I don't see them as a substitute for anything. IMO, they are a 3rd unique surface.

[deathandgravity]

Is this the end of Aqueduct? Move winter meet to Belmont rubber?

[Profesor]

Originally Posted by deathandgravity

Is this the end of Aqueduct? Move winter meet to Belmont rubber?

Unfortunately, yes, too many morons, who know nothing about racing are running the show

[$w1fT]

When Aqueduct closes, NYRA will essentially go 10 months of the year with almost zero two turn dirt races being run.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by Profesor

Unfortunately, yes, too many morons, who know nothing about racing are running the show

What exactly are your credentials to know this? What exactly do you know about any of the executives at NYRA?

The internet is chock full of people making comments with absolutely no actual knowledge of that they are talking about. This is yet another example.

[Tom]

[quote=Profesor;2865638]

Originally Posted by Tom

That is a pretty bold statement.
Can you back it with facts?

Like percentage of winnimng favs, average payoff, you know, real life results.

And if fav win 30% instead of 40%, ist that good? Don't we all complain favs win all the time so there are no betting opportunities?

GP would a place to statr, the same wagring crowd, basically, has all three surfaces.......[/QUOTE

One I thing that I find out very quickly is that traditional handicapping methods don’t work on Synthetics, the best and profitable handicappers that I know gave up betting Gulfstream altogether,Jon Hardoon of the Ragozin SHEETS used to do a zoom seminar during their championship meet he gave up after 3 days I quote what he said (Tapeta makes me look stupid) and believe me he is a very bright all around handicapper.

So the problem is not the tapeta, it is you........got it.

[Bustin Stones]

Prior to joining NYRA, O’Rourke was a member of the Zolfo Cooper and Capstone Advisory Group Corporate Restructuring Practices, specializing in multiple operational and financial reorganization efforts in the real estate development, gaming, auto manufacturing, retailing and shipping industries. He also served as Vice President of Operations at Datek Online and was instrumental in helping the company develop into the world’s fourth largest online brokerage.

This is the CEO of NYRA hired in 2008.

[Profesor]

[quote=Tom;2865832]

Originally Posted by Profesor

So the problem is not the tapeta, it is you........got it.

Yes me and 99% of all horse players.