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Old 01-22-2021, 02:12 PM   #1
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Why even bother ?

Drugging horses allowed.
He just won the first two races of the meet.
Stay classy Oaklawn.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ine-positives/
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Old 01-22-2021, 03:14 PM   #2
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Drugging horses allowed.
He just won the first two races of the meet.
Stay classy Oaklawn.

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ine-positives/
I guess he appealed?
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Old 01-22-2021, 03:16 PM   #3
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Yeah, I noted this a couple days ago looking at the OP entries.

I emailed Paulick asking for a followup but never saw anything.
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Old 01-22-2021, 03:32 PM   #4
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Yeah, I noted this a couple days ago looking at the OP entries.

I emailed Paulick asking for a followup but never saw anything.
I searched, can't find a word about it. Obviously either the suspension was stayed or it has been appealed, but would be nice if we were told.
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Old 01-22-2021, 03:38 PM   #5
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He just won the 5th. 3 of 5 races now. Horse was heavily bet late. Don't leave the caffeine man out!
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Old 01-22-2021, 04:54 PM   #6
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It was bad enough having to put up with Diodoro's shenanigans at Oaklawn last year. Now we have to deal with this jerk, too.

He has the 12 horse in the 9th at Oaklawn.
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Old 01-22-2021, 05:32 PM   #7
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I don't see a lot of (actually any other in my search) Villafranco positives when I search for them. I'm more willing to be forgiving of a one-time spate of positives.

The way these tests go and the levels at which things are detected, I can see someone's 24 oz Monster Energy getting knocked over into a supplement, the help NOT wanting to tell Villafranco what happened (supplements are expensive - don't want to have throw them out), and then a few days of supplement affecting a bunch of horses. (There may have been more than these 4 who would have tested positive - they're generally only testing first 3 and sometimes beaten faves).

The article I saw about the suspensions did emphasize that the Villafranco suspension ruling "cited his responsibility as the 'absolute insurer' of the condition of an entry the trainer enters regardless of the acts of a third party."

I do hope we get some clarification on the suspension (likely) having been appealed. It's not the best look for Oaklawn - which has taken a lot of positive steps this offseason - to have this situation be the "buzz" on opening day.
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Old 01-22-2021, 05:33 PM   #8
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He just won the 5th. 3 of 5 races now. Horse was heavily bet late. Don't leave the caffeine man out!

Must be a coincidence?
Racing would NEVER allow known cheaters to operate freely?
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Old 01-22-2021, 09:36 PM   #9
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How about Cox?
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I don't see a lot of (actually any other in my search) Villafranco positives when I search for them. I'm more willing to be forgiving of a one-time spate of positives.

The way these tests go and the levels at which things are detected, I can see someone's 24 oz Monster Energy getting knocked over into a supplement, the help NOT wanting to tell Villafranco what happened (supplements are expensive - don't want to have throw them out), and then a few days of supplement affecting a bunch of horses. (There may have been more than these 4 who would have tested positive - they're generally only testing first 3 and sometimes beaten faves).

The article I saw about the suspensions did emphasize that the Villafranco suspension ruling "cited his responsibility as the 'absolute insurer' of the condition of an entry the trainer enters regardless of the acts of a third party."

I do hope we get some clarification on the suspension (likely) having been appealed. It's not the best look for Oaklawn - which has taken a lot of positive steps this offseason - to have this situation be the "buzz" on opening day.
If I was trying to write a parody of an excuse, I'd write something like your attempt at a legitimate explanation. But your type of logic is why racing is in the state it's in.
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If I was trying to write a parody of an excuse, I'd write something like your attempt at a legitimate explanation. But your type of logic is why racing is in the state it's in.
I'm not saying it's a good thing. I wish it was a parody of an excuse that wasn't possible. My type of "logic" is based on what I've seen with my own eyes.

During my time as an owner (late 90's-early 00's) I've been in backside tack rooms that were absolutely pristine where that kind of thing could not happen, and those where things were jammed in all over the place. (I've even seen a can of coffee that was on a shelf wind up knocked over with some grounds spilled into a feed tub - granted, THAT tub was dumped out and started over.)

I've seen both excellent workers and those who were on their second or third "last chance" - still there because they were generally good with the horses (or were willing to work with the nasty ones). And watched a couple of those - not with my trainers - confronted with evidence of something they'd done that they hadn't been up front about. Nothing nefarious - more on the order of sloppy. (Some neighboring trainers can shout pretty loud.)

I probably shouldn't even say "not with my trainers" with total confidence, since there were a few times where a groom wouldn't be around for a day or so, I'd ask "Where's so-and-so?", and get the "He's not working for me anymore".

Does racing need to do better? Yes. Am I ready to lump Villafranco in with the Servises and Navarros? No. If there was another positive or set of positives with "explanations" for him in the next couple of years (like we see happening with Baffert repeatedly) would I be as willing to play devil's advocate? No.

There's a current case involving a "nobbled" horse over in Ireland who had 100 times the legal limit of a sedative. Trainer suspended for not "securing" the horse while at the track - they ship in day of race over there. One of the elements discussed was lack of CCTV cameras on stalls. More of those in the barn area of racetracks (something I believe I've seen being put in place at some tracks) will be a benefit. Of course you'd need them in tack rooms/feed rooms too to be most helpful.
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when i started betting horses, i met a old timer at aqueduct that told me if you don't take the horses seriously it can be a fun GAME. not all people or bettors are fools, being parted with their money.
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