NY Residents Can Kiss Their Rebates Goodbye Comes The New Year

[proximity]

Originally Posted by Exotic1

I mean I'm reviewing his posts from life to date

and just when i thought there was nothing that i would rather be doing less on christmas eve than poring over the new york source market bill....

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

It's unfair for me to criticize TLG...but it's not unfair for him to criticize me without even pointing out what in my post he disagreed with?

I never said it was unfair of you to criticize him. I'm specifically talking about that specific sentence of yours I found to be unfair.

When did TLG ever go against NYRA on a controversial issue...so I could conclude that his NYRA opinions are unbiased?

I don't keep score on Andy. Do you?

Look, everyone's opinions on everything in the world are biased. That's why they are called opinions. My opinion is biased. Your opinion is biased. That's the nature of opinions, is it not? Certainly, your stance on NYRA in general also qualifies you as a biased opinion giver, does it not?

I have nothing against NYRA in particular. I have animosity against all the racing jurisdictions that are hostile towards the player...and NYRA just happens to be on the list.

I think you contradict yourself here.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Exotic1

PA, glad you stated this. Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the posting activities of SRU. I mean I'm reviewing his posts from life to date and so far after post 9000 he hasn't personally attacked anyone. Some of his posts may be "out there" but so what? Is he redirecting threads to some agenda, I really don't think so. His conspiracy theories are just that, theories and maybe 1% possible. Do I take all his posts seriously, no. He treats everyone with respect (I think) but knows how to defend himself. I certainly think he's an asset and not a detriment. He's already said, one of his New Year's resolutions is to try and curb the outer limit stuff.

The truth is I don't know why he continues to pay membership fees here. Now wait a second, don't get any ideas.

Really? You read all 9000 posts...lol...ok then.

Who cares whether he "personally attacked" anyone...whatever that means...as if you can "personally attack" a fake name in cyberspace.

He's ****ing repetitive at times, that's for sure...over and over and over and over again with the "they're out to get me" stuff...it gets old...even if it is even remotely accurate.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I think you contradict yourself here.

No, Pa...I think you are wrong. I was not contradicting myself there. I think it's just that you don't pay enough attention to what some people write sometimes.

You said that I might be the antithesis of the NYRA fanboy...implying that I have something against the NYRA in particular.

And I said that my hostility is not reserved only for the NYRA. It is spread equally over several racing jurisdictions.

[wiffleball whizz]

I have a few unbiased views here but I'm not gonna get caught up in the crossfire with some of racing sharpest people.....

Seems like everybody is a little chippy with zero action all day today and tmrw....thur afternoon a looooooooooong way away

But yet I manage to get buried in this Hawaii bowl.......

[Vigorish]

Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz

I have a few unbiased views here but I'm not gonna get caught up in the crossfire with some of racing sharpest people.....

Seems like everybody is a little chippy with zero action all day today and tmrw....thur afternoon a looooooooooong way away

But yet I manage to get buried in this Hawaii bowl.......

I felt a sense of inexplicable doom when I opened my ADW and had one choice: Palm Beach Matinee. I selected a $5 win bet with a $2 exacta box, only to delete my bet seconds before they opened the box. Tomorrow I will be singing 'Hurry Tomorrow, Tomorrow I need you.'

[proximity]

Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz

thur afternoon a looooooooooong way away

you working that day? i might go back down.(!)

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You said that I might be the antithesis of the NYRA fanboy...implying that I have something against the NYRA in particular.

And I said that my hostility is not reserved only for the NYRA. It is spread equally over several racing jurisdictions.

It doesn't matter though, does it? If you have something against a bunch of jurisdictions including NYRA, that means you still have something against NYRA. Not saying your hostility is unwarranted, but it will taint your opinion, rightly or wrongly.

[wiffleball whizz]

Originally Posted by proximity

you working that day? i might go back down.(!)

I'm 1/9 to be working.....feel free to stay at my place and we'll go spend a evening with mr untouchable.....cjs dad of course it will be good times

[wiffleball whizz]

Originally Posted by Vigorish

I felt a sense of inexplicable doom when I opened my ADW and had one choice: Palm Beach Matinee. I selected a $5 win bet with a $2 exacta box, only to delete my bet seconds before they opened the box. Tomorrow I will be singing 'Hurry Tomorrow, Tomorrow I need you.'

If I didn't work this week and I had a pocket full of cash I'd be sitting here in a cold sweat......I heard palm beach handled 341,000 today........that's a great number!!!!

Only game in town!!

[proximity]

Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz

I'm 1/9 to be working.....feel free to stay at my place and we'll go spend a evening with mr untouchable.....cjs dad of course it will be good times

i would have went and watched that ravens game with you guys if i wasn't stuck $200 early in that game. was hoping the ravens would give us a little help in that one, lol.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by the little guy

I have not, cannot, and will not, express an opinion on this issue. However, your post was almost incredible in its disregard for the facts of this issue. Opine away, but at least have some respect for the posters here and learn at least something of the facts of the issue you are discussing.

How can it be wrong for people to learn as much about this issue as possible? But, how can that be possible if people are also posting away without even bothering to try to learn any of the facts? I have not suggested people should have one opinion or another....just that they take the time to try to learn the facts. Frankly, it's pretty surprising I should even have to say that.

I have no opinion because forming one would be an uninformed view.
With that said, is there any way, without expressing a viewpoint on this issue, you could post 'just the facts'...
My interest is one of education so that I may form an opinion based on those facts.
One element of the issue I do understand is that many states are charging these fees. That based on what I have read here.

[Robert Goren]

A couple of points. First, if you are running 95k mdn races, you are swimming in money from coming somewhere.
Second, the problems in racing do not stem from somebody getting too high a rebate. They stem from takeout rate being too high for people who do not get a rebate and/or from many other bettors not get a big enough rebate. To put it as simply as I can, some bettors are getting a better deal than others, but all bettors(including those with "high" rebates)are getting a bad deal.

[SchagFactorToWin]

Originally Posted by thespaah

Did you do that?

I will in 2-3 months.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

A couple of points. First, if you are running 95k mdn races, you are swimming in money from coming somewhere.
Second, the problems in racing do not stem from somebody getting too high a rebate. They stem from takeout rate being too high for people who do not get a rebate and/or from many other bettors not get a big enough rebate. To put it as simply as I can, some bettors are getting a better deal than others, but all bettors(including those with "high" rebates)are getting a bad deal.

Maiden races are $60-65k. I think they might have inflated the purses of all races on one day Belmont Stakes or Travers, but that isn't the norm as you make it. Further, they are obligated by law to spend that money on purses and further, they are restricted on how big purses can be for claimers. So unless you think it all should be dumped on stakes races, this is pretty much how it has to shake out.

The second fallacy here is people getting big rebates aren't getting a bad deal. They are being given the ability to have market control, something they wouldn't have if takeout was lower.

You've been told these things enough times that it is apparent you simply choose not to listen and to make up whatever stories fit your mood.