Sandra Bland Arrest Video

[badcompany]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

[b]

No argument from me, BUT when it is obvious we have a cop who is acting unprofessionally we have people who still side with the cop. It baffles the mind. Like cops are Gods that should never be questioned. I would hope those people would have no problem being turned black in the South before 1965.

They're just rationalizing how easily they've given up their rights.

Interesting how these so-called limited government conservatives are willing to cede unlimited power to government employees, in this case, cops.

[Robert Goren]

Bad cops should not get a pass because most cops are pretty good at their job.

[sammy the sage]

Originally Posted by badcompany

They're just rationalizing how easily they've given up their rights.

Interesting how these so-called limited government conservatives are willing to cede unlimited power to government employees, in this case, cops.

dead right on...

not that you and I agree many topics...


this whole thing is so...so....weird...left side (who are normally government APOLOGISTS) saying the cop was outta line...right side (who are normally government ANTAGONISTS)...bowing down...no bad apples...

twilight zone I guess...

[fast4522]

Perhaps what "WE" can agree on is more people equal more cops and mistakes, thirty years ago we had less congestion. Dealing with greater congestion has its growing issues that all municipality's have to learn and mature procedural steps.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Bad cops should not get a pass because most cops are pretty good at their job.

Where did anyone say they should?

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by badcompany

They're just rationalizing how easily they've given up their rights.

Interesting how these so-called limited government conservatives are willing to cede unlimited power to government employees, in this case, cops.

If directed at me, where did I say any such thing? If not, my apologies.

[FocusWiz]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Bad cops should not get a pass because most cops are pretty good at their job.

I agree with this and I also would state that good police should not be shot dead in the streets because some mob mentality wants "dead cops." It works both ways. Not all cops are good. Not all cops are bad. Not all good cops are necessarily good all the time and even bad cops may do something good at times. I realize that we want to hold them to a higher standard, but I constantly hear that about teachers, doctors, dentists, priests, ministers, judges, lawyers, congressmen, Presidents, etc. Sadly, most of these positions are held by human beings.

As I write this, I realize how futile this could be in many areas of the country, but complaints and lawsuits against this type of behavior would have resulted in a better result. She did not have to be arrested. She did not have to die. There may have been some ridiculous comments in this thread supporting the police officer's behavior that I did not read, but from what I've seen, there is nearly total agreement that he was out of line. The point is that neither he nor Sandra should have escalated this to the point where she was arrested for pulling over on a nearly deserted street to allow a speeding officer to pass. While some in the media say he acted professionally, I would have had held him to a much higher "professional" bar to make such a statement. Her behavior was definitely designed to annoy him.

I cannot speak for others, but if I were heading to my first day at a new job, the last thing I would have wanted to do was incite a police officer who seemed intent on citing me needlessly. I do think there may be times when a person may be forced to fight for their rights and defend themselves against illegal actions of a police officer on a street, but the point I think being missed here is that this should not have been one of them.

I can understand how frustrated it must have been for her. A new job, no matter how trivial others may think it is, is a stressful situation. Needing money is a stressful situation. Being taught by the well-meaning media that police hate you because of the color of your skin is a stressful situation. If the comments in this thread about her own family not caring about her are true, that is yet another frustration. Adding to that, a ticket where if you want to fight it, you have to take time off from your new job and if you want to just pay it, you lose half a week's pay and it gets very frustrating. It is not that her frustration has no basis, it is just that this was not a situation worth escalating on her part. If it were true that she had been using marijuana, that is yet another reason not to use alcohol nor other drugs when you may have to make sound decisions.

I do not see how such comments are seen as supporting the police officer. If you are involved with a police officer (or a mugger or a salesman or a con artist or a doctor or literally anyone else), the only person whose behavior you can control is your own. That doesn't mean that the police officer was right. I still believe that in this situation, she should have followed the axiom "Discretion is the better part of valor."

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by FocusWiz

I agree with this and I also would state that good police should not be shot dead in the streets because some mob mentality wants "dead cops." It works both ways. Not all cops are good. Not all cops are bad. Not all good cops are necessarily good all the time and even bad cops may do something good at times. I realize that we want to hold them to a higher standard, but I constantly hear that about teachers, doctors, dentists, priests, ministers, judges, lawyers, congressmen, Presidents, etc. Sadly, most of these positions are held by human beings.

As I write this, I realize how futile this could be in many areas of the country, but complaints and lawsuits against this type of behavior would have resulted in a better result. She did not have to be arrested. She did not have to die. There may have been some ridiculous comments in this thread supporting the police officer's behavior that I did not read, but from what I've seen, there is nearly total agreement that he was out of line. The point is that neither he nor Sandra should have escalated this to the point where she was arrested for pulling over on a nearly deserted street to allow a speeding officer to pass. While some in the media say he acted professionally, I would have had held him to a much higher "professional" bar to make such a statement. Her behavior was definitely designed to annoy him.

I cannot speak for others, but if I were heading to my first day at a new job, the last thing I would have wanted to do was incite a police officer who seemed intent on citing me needlessly. I do think there may be times when a person may be forced to fight for their rights and defend themselves against illegal actions of a police officer on a street, but the point I think being missed here is that this should not have been one of them.

I can understand how frustrated it must have been for her. A new job, no matter how trivial others may think it is, is a stressful situation. Needing money is a stressful situation. Being taught by the well-meaning media that police hate you because of the color of your skin is a stressful situation. If the comments in this thread about her own family not caring about her are true, that is yet another frustration. Adding to that, a ticket where if you want to fight it, you have to take time off from your new job and if you want to just pay it, you lose half a week's pay and it gets very frustrating. It is not that her frustration has no basis, it is just that this was not a situation worth escalating on her part. If it were true that she had been using marijuana, that is yet another reason not to use alcohol nor other drugs when you may have to make sound decisions.

I do not see how such comments are seen as supporting the police officer. If you are involved with a police officer (or a mugger or a salesman or a con artist or a doctor or literally anyone else), the only person whose behavior you can control is your own. That doesn't mean that the police officer was right. I still believe that in this situation, she should have followed the axiom "Discretion is the better part of valor."

All you said is true, but there is one thing you left out. Cops are paid to handle stressful situations. It is part of the job. The bottom line is the cop did not do his job properly and a woman is dead because of it. He was not some rookie who didn't have clue. We put a lot of power in to the hands of the police. We can not have cops abusing their power because they feel insulted. In this situation, the cop has total control and he is the one responsible for the situation getting out of control. All he had to do is hand her ticket and ignore all she was saying and be on his way. This whole case was a cluster f**k from start to finish. Pardon my French.

[Marshall Bennett]

Like any other occupation, there are good and bad. The good has to outnumber the bad or the entire system falls apart. By a huge margin I might add. This isn't rocket science and police departments are no exception. The bad typically are dealt with and dismissed. Again, there are exceptions and a few bad cops get through the cracks. Nothing is perfect. To judge the entire system by a few shitheads is just dumb. I also don't consider any in this case to receive any more than light punishment. They're not monsters.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

The bottom line is the cop did not do his job properly and a woman is dead because of it.

One of your most convoluted assumptions ever........but you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how cosmic it is.

Her so-called friends and family are responsible for her death by not posting bond ASAP, knowing her psychological history better than anyone. It's tragic how "Hundreds" show up at her funeral, but not one of them bailed her out......

[FocusWiz]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

All you said is true, but there is one thing you left out. Cops are paid to handle stressful situations. It is part of the job. The bottom line is the cop did not do his job properly and a woman is dead because of it. He was not some rookie who didn't have clue. We put a lot of power in to the hands of the police. We can not have cops abusing their power because they feel insulted. In this situation, the cop has total control and he is the one responsible for the situation getting out of control. All he had to do is hand her ticket and ignore all she was saying and be on his way. This whole case was a cluster f**k from start to finish. Pardon my French.

I agree with the bulk of what you say.

I am not saying he did a good job. I am not saying he is a good officer. I would not even excuse a rookie for handling the situation as he did.

Most officers know when they are abusing power and he probably knew he did, just as our doctors, lawyers, and representatives know it when they are abusing power. I am talking about using common non-drug-fogged common sense when dealing with an out-of-control imbecile, not saying that she was dealing with a perfect person with a perfect attitude and was totally at fault. Nothing like that was anywhere in my post as I intended it.

[hcap]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-26-12-20-03

Texas county where inmate died has history of racial tension

For instance......

Sheriff Glenn Smith has been singled out by some activists as the first head that needs to roll in the wake of Bland's death.

Smith was suspended for two weeks in 2007 and ordered to take anger-management classes after using profanity and pushing a black man during an arrest, according to Patricia Cernosky, Hempstead's mayor pro tem.

He was fired as Hempstead police chief in 2008 and then elected county sheriff.

"I'm not a racist," Smith insisted, blaming "small-town politics." He plans to seek re-election next year.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by hcap

Smith was suspended for two weeks in 2007 and ordered to take anger-management classes after using profanity and pushing a black man during an arrest, according to Patricia Cernosky, Hempstead's mayor pro tem.

A white man swore at and pushed a black man. Obviously a hate crime.

Blatant racism. What possible motive could he have other than racial hate. The man should be in prison, not in the sheriff's office.

That's the only factual evidence they could come up with, and that and a couple of comments by locals is enough to brand the entire county racist? By the way, the cop that arrested the woman was a state trooper, not a county cop.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by hcap

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...07-26-12-20-03

Texas county where inmate died has history of racial tension

For instance......

Sheriff Glenn Smith has been singled out by some activists as the first head that needs to roll in the wake of Bland's death.

Smith was suspended for two weeks in 2007 and ordered to take anger-management classes after using profanity and pushing a black man during an arrest, according to Patricia Cernosky, Hempstead's mayor pro tem.

He was fired as Hempstead police chief in 2008 and then elected county sheriff.

"I'm not a racist," Smith insisted, blaming "small-town politics." He plans to seek re-election next year.

Hcap, do you read other poster's more enlightened and intelligent opinions? Trust me, they're plenty of them, but you seem to ignore them all and continue to post such myopic asinine opinions. Simply put, it's hard to ever take you seriously......

[Tom]

It is easier to race bait when you ignore all the facts in every thread.