Religion III

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I made it earlier today.

Well, that narrows it down a bit. I've checked all the posts you've made today. You have not made any point.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Well, that narrows it down a bit. I've checked all the posts you've made today. You have not made any point.

Go to night school for refresher courses on reading comp.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Go to night school for refresher courses on reading comp.

Ad hominem!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Ad hominem!

[Light]

Originally Posted by mountainman

With all respect, sir, neither can I prove that Sony Bono's ghost doesn't hide behind the coca cola display at our local grocery store, waiting patiently to reveal itself should Cher pop in. And occasionally enjoying the pause that refreshes.

It just seems (a bit) implausible.

You don't know that with certainty. Only probability. While Bono's ghost may not frequent your grocery store, I would bet that he frequents other venue's more relevant to him.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Bottom line: You don't understand science. You don't want to understand science. No doubt you think the computer on which you type your posts has a little homunculus in it doing all the work.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Bottom line: You don't understand science. You don't want to understand science. No doubt you think the computer on which you type your posts has a little homunculus in it doing all the work.

That's another lie by you. Look how much I have learned from you. Just today you taught "us" that effects can be detected, but causes behind those effects are unseen -- invisible. And just "coincidentally", so is The Uncaused Cause.

This is really exciting stuff!

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

That's another lie by you. Look how much I have learned from you. Just today you taught "us" that effects can be detected, but causes behind those effects are unseen -- invisible.

But not undetectable. Do you understand that?

Originally Posted by boxcar

And just "coincidentally", so is The Uncaused Cause.

Untestable hypothesis!

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

That's another lie by you. Look how much I have learned from you. Just today you taught "us" that effects can be detected, but causes behind those effects are unseen -- invisible. And just "coincidentally", so is The Uncaused Cause.

This is really exciting stuff!

"The Uncaused Cause", meaning the universe was uncaused? Lots of causes inside the universe.
We never saw the big bang either. Therefore anything unseeable, must exist too?

Little circles within bigger circles, ad infinitum.

Or "German philosopher Immanuel Kant rejected the argument from causality because, according to one of his central theses, causality cannot legitimately be applied beyond the realm of possible experience to a transcendent cause.

You Kant be serious

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

But not undetectable. Do you understand that?

Untestable hypothesis!

I thought you said only effects were detectable? Are you being duplicitous again?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

"The Uncaused Cause", meaning the universe was uncaused? Lots of causes inside the universe.
We never saw the big bang either. Therefore anything unseeable, must exist too?

Little circles within bigger circles, ad infinitum.

You Kant be serious

No, meaning the First Cause to the universe itself was uncaused.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The Exodus is not the topic here or in Mark 13. The Diaspora of 70 A.D. is! Get a grip on your runaway brain and mouth.

No, the topic at the moment, between you and I, is "real self" as brought up by Light. I have told you my theory that historical, semi-historical, and purely fictional "events" served as analogues in ancient cultures for concepts LARGER in context that you are attempting to do, by squeezing the Diaspora of 70 A.D, into your literal interpretation.

Again!!

Which Diaspora was Jesus referring to? Jewish history as told by Jews, takes a different view. Actor touched on this. So why wasn't Jesus, the all knowing, discussing the entire series of events?

Ancient Jewish History: The Diaspora
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-diaspora

"The Jewish state comes to an end in 70 AD, when the Romans begin to actively drive Jews from the home they had lived in for over a millennium. But the Jewish Diaspora ("diaspora" ="dispersion, scattering") had begun long before the Romans had even dreamed of Judaea".

So although the Romans screwed the Jews, they were not the first. Jesus speaks of the end of the "age".You interpret that literally.

It was not meant literally. The larger context is ending the "age" of unconsciousness within one individual. Remember, do not confuse the "map", Jesus laid out as a possible path to greater consciousness, or the divine, with the state of consciousness itself.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

No, meaning the First Cause to the universe itself was uncaused.

Little circles within bigger circles.

Infinite regress land

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I thought you said only effects were detectable? Are you being duplicitous again?

Obviously the answer to my question "Do you understand that?" is "No." You do not understand that! Just as obviously you do not want to understand it, so why should I bother?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by hcap

Little circles within bigger circles.

Infinite regress land

Known to mathematicians and physicists as a Fourier series.