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slewis · 12-14-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lsbets

Hide behind anonymity? You really are not bright at all are you? I'm an easy guy to find, hell look at the board archives and you'll even get my address, along with some video and a newspaper article that discusses my background. I've had the pleasure of several board members dropping in unexpectedly to say hi. You are making yourself look like more of a fool than usual. Your chest thumping is laughable. It is a foregone conclusion that the dumbest, and possibly last thing, you would ever do is go toe to toe with me. But I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. You'd crawl back under some rock where you can keep pretending to be a tough guy.

Like I said...a little cnt.... How ya left?

johnhannibalsmith · 12-14-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slewis

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You mean a law that prevents someone who WONT BUY INSURANCE from FORCING their financial burden, should they become ill, upon society as a whole?...

It's a really, really weak, cavalier attitude to assume and then pronounce that people that refuse to enable the actual problem with the broken health system are themselves the problem.

lsbets · 12-14-2010, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by slewis

Like I said...a little cnt.... How ya left?

Come on down tough guy, lets see how long you'd last with me. It'd be a long flight for the worst minute of your life. Stop with all the tough talk, you know who I am and where to find me, time to put up or shut up. But, we both know you're all talk and too chickenshit to back up your false bravado. I bet my 6 year old daughter is a hell of a lot tougher than you.

boxcar · 12-14-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lsbets

Come on down tough guy, lets see how long you'd last with me. It'd be a long flight for the worst minute of your life. Stop with all the tough talk, you know who I am and where to find me, time to put up or shut up. But, we both know you're all talk and too chickenshit to back up your false bravado. I bet my 6 year old daughter is a hell of a lot tougher than you.

Hey, SL, in the interest of full disclosure and just to keep everything above board and fair and balanced, I must reveal what LS didn't: His little sweetheart is a red belt in karate.

Carry on...

Boxcar

lsbets · 12-14-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by boxcar

Hey, SL, in the interest of full disclosure and just to keep everything above board and fair and balanced, I must reveal what LS didn't: His little sweetheart is a red belt in karate.

Carry on...

Boxcar

Nope, she's a gymnast. Tough as nails, isn't scared of anything. From the first day she stood out over the other girls, so now she's going to the best gym in the country. Its an amazing place, and great for her. As long as she loves it, I'll keep laying out the cash for her, but anyone who's been around here a while knows the circumstances she was born under and why she is so special to me.

boxcar · 12-14-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lsbets

Nope, she's a gymnast. Tough as nails, isn't scared of anything. From the first day she stood out over the other girls, so now she's going to the best gym in the country. Its an amazing place, and great for her. As long as she loves it, I'll keep laying out the cash for her, but anyone who's been around here a while knows the circumstances she was born under and why she is so special to me.

Okay...then "tough as nails" should work.

Boxcar

PaceAdvantage · 12-15-2010, 03:22 AM

Hey, slewis + lsbets...I like watching a throw down as much as anyone, but I must try and pour some cold water on this little fracas....

And I have to say, this is a little out of character for lsbets...as for slewis, par for the course...

lsbets · 12-15-2010, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Hey, slewis + lsbets...I like watching a throw down as much as anyone, but I must try and pour some cold water on this little fracas....

And I have to say, this is a little out of character for lsbets...as for slewis, par for the course...

Okay PA. But not out of character at all for me. Think about it. Most of my travels have involved confronting faux tough guys and bullies. That's all slewis is - a faux tough guy and bully. You know full well how things would end for him if he had the balls he claims he does. The jackass needed to be brought down a notch after he couldn't handle the fact that he doesn't understand basic civics vis a vis our federalist system. Every thread he jumps into is the same, well he knows where to find me, I'll welcome him and send him home real quick.

jognlope · 12-15-2010, 08:32 AM

But putting this:

kind of stings at end of a comment exluding someone.

ceejay · 12-15-2010, 09:29 AM

The way I see it this is a law that says "do the right thing and purchase health insurance or pay a tax." If you do not have insurance and have a medical calamity (unless you're rich enough to write a 6-figure check) you will likely be forced to declare bankruptcy, thereby stiffing the doctors, hospitals, laboratories, etc. that saved your life. It won't be any fun for you either, probably losing all or most of your assets.

The USA has a long history of using the tax code as a social engineering tool. Examples:
Mortgage interest deduction
Pre-Tax payment of employer-based health insurance
Reagan-era increase in personal exemption for children
Cash for Clunkers

boxcar · 12-15-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ceejay

The way I see it this is a law that says "do the right thing and purchase health insurance or pay a tax." If you do not have insurance and have a medical calamity (unless you're rich enough to write a 6-figure check) you will likely be forced to declare bankruptcy, thereby stiffing the doctors, hospitals, laboratories, etc. that saved your life. It won't be any fun for you either, probably losing all or most of your assets.

The USA has a long history of using the tax code as a social engineering tool. Examples:
Mortgage interest deduction
Pre-Tax payment of employer-based health insurance
Reagan-era increase in personal exemption for children
Cash for Clunkers

Yo, Ceejay, this is what Medicare is for. It's basically designed to give rationed (emergency) care to the poor.

Boxcar

ceejay · 12-15-2010, 10:03 AM

Medicare is not designed for the middle income non-disabled person under 65 years old. You know that.

Medicaid is for the impoverished. Not for the person who simply chooses to be uninsured.

lamboguy · 12-15-2010, 10:54 AM

there are always hard core reasons why a law gets passed to begin with when something has been working well for a long time. i can only speak for the state of mass because this health insurance is already taking place here. the deal here is that an insurance company cannot turn you down for a pre-existing condition. of course to be able to offer this the premiums on everyone has to rise. at the same time the hospitals and doctors charges have increased as well. the people that were behind this bill were the hospitals and insurance company's to begin with. those guys are never going to lose a dime because they pass the cost onto the patients in the form of higher charges and rates. a single person can get a health insurance policy that doesn't have the highest deductable for about $850 per month. if they want one with a high deductable that pays virtually nothing it cost $450 per month. since there is no pre-existing condition exemptions here you can take out the best insurance when you know you are going to need it, after you are done visiting your doctors you can drop it and just pay the penalty for not having insurance to the state. that would cost you $250 per month that you don't have the insurance. so what is happening here is alot of people are chosing to insure themselves in that manor. what these doctors and hospitals charge is crazy to begin with. to give you an idea, 2 tylenol gets you billed $9.00 these days. a 3 minute appointment with a specialists in a hospital gets you billed $450. a prostate examination and psa test runs about $500. everyone here always complains about track takeout, this is worse. if you can overcome this takeout in medical care, you can win at horseracing no sweat.

boxcar · 12-15-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ceejay

Medicare is not designed for the middle income non-disabled person under 65 years old. You know that.

Medicaid is for the impoverished. Not for the person who simply chooses to be uninsured.

And your point is...if someone chooses to be uninsured, why should he receive care at all?

If someone chooses to not buy an automobile because he doesn't want to part with his money, does that give him some right to march into the showroom and simply drive out with one, expecting that someone else will pick up his tab?

Boxcar

ceejay · 12-15-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by boxcar

And your point is...if someone chooses to be uninsured, why should he receive care at all?

My point is that if somebody chooses to attempt to freeload off the health care system and be uninsured that the government has the power to levy a tax on this freeloader. I say a substantial tax. The power is granted under article 1 section 8 of the United States Constitution in the "general welfare" clause(Along with the commerce clause IMO).