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07-15-2010, 12:30 PM
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The first book I ever bought on Handicapping was :
Bob Heberts Secrets of Handicapping in 1963 when it was published.
He had chapters on speed handicapping that pre-dated Beyer by 12 years.
I still have the book, he has a chapter with speed charts for allowance, stakes, claiming and two year olds. Also how to construct a track variant.
The three most influential authors for me was the aforementioned
Bob Hebert, Gordon Jones and of course Andy Beyer.
In Handicapping I believe you first have to identify the fastest horses and then add in other factors.
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07-15-2010, 12:51 PM
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Screw PC
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Biggest influences came from the PIRCO group.
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07-15-2010, 01:08 PM
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Traded By Cubs
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In order, Tom Ainslie, Bill Quirin, Steve Davidowitz, Scott McMannis.
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07-15-2010, 01:25 PM
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Ray Taulbot, Huey Mahl, Gordon Jones
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07-15-2010, 01:39 PM
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Most influential, by far, was Louis G. Holloway. Others that had inpact on my evolution as a capper were Taulbot, Ainslie, Hebert, Cohen & Stevens, Jones, William Scott, and several others that had perhaps a more minor influence. Am sure that I left someone important out that I will recall shortly.
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07-15-2010, 01:43 PM
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Screw PC
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Louis G. Holloway -- who's that?
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07-15-2010, 01:46 PM
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OUTSIDE the box is where you have to be in this game.
New Think: The Use of Lateral Thinking Edward de Bono
Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in the Markets and in Life, by Nassim Taleb.
The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives, Leonard Mlodinow
Blink, Malcolm Gladwell
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07-15-2010, 01:48 PM
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Tom Ainslie (everything), James Quinn (class), Steve Davidowitz (key races), Huey Mahl (pace).
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07-15-2010, 02:11 PM
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ainslie, beyer, and most of all my uncle. who never wrote a book, but the other two were still looking up at him in my eyes.
Last edited by bisket; 07-15-2010 at 02:12 PM.
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07-15-2010, 02:18 PM
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Ada
Ada Kuleck.
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07-15-2010, 02:27 PM
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Mitchell
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07-15-2010, 03:00 PM
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The first handicapping book I bought was Bob McKnight's "Eliminate the losers". His method would still work, except back in "60's when it was written horses ran more frequently. It was with this book that I "handicapped my first winner.
I have followed the methods, with some tweaking, of William L. Scott's "Total Victory at the Track" for his Performance Class Ratings, which few handicapper's use.
I make Hambleton pace figures from the book "Pace makes the Race" by Howard Sartin, et al.
I select the pace lines using the guidelines from "Handicapping Magic" by Michael Pizolla.
I have read and used ideas from Davidowitz, Beyer, and other published authors.
I've even "stolen" I mean borrowed ideas I've read here.
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07-15-2010, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DJofSD
Louis G. Holloway -- who's that?
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Lou Holloway was by far the most influential to me also. I have read and own most everything Lou ever wrote...my dad was a friend/customer of his. Even though his approach was old-school...his main focus was class and speed ratings. Every time i open a form, the first thing i do is figure a Lou Holloway speed and pace rating. Even though i have morphed into more modern ways of handicapping...Holloway's influence comes first to me and I always use his money management approach, which while sometimes slow, has never failed me. The money management that i learned kind of morphs into the "grinder" thread...i used to have 3 "banks" going at a time...one each for win,place and show....the main forms of betting back in the 70's.
After Lou and my dad....i enjoyed the book written by Scott Flohr, again old-school but influential. Brohamer/Beyer opened my eyes to more involved pace and speed and an idea about how to handicap turf....which when i first started wasnt as mainstream as it is now. rbj
ps : writings by holloway included " Nevada Gaming Guide " early 60's ( which included his tote-all system , "The Talking Tote" 1957? , the "show off" system 1970 , writings in Systems and Methods and numerous other newsletter-type writings.
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07-15-2010, 03:13 PM
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Hank Goldberg.
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07-15-2010, 03:18 PM
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Screw PC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turfnsport
Hank Goldberg.
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