Delaware AS IS, appalling

[HorsemenHeist]

How is this not a 'no contest' ? Only 2 of the 7 finished due to a terrible spill, yet they paid off the race. Even show bets in a race where 2 finished.

Just another theft against the player.

Race 3
# Horse Jockey Win Place Show
1 Madame Curie Burg C $33.60 $10.80 $8.40
10 Showreel (GB) Centeno D $3.60 $3.80
Scratched: Critical Humor (2), Sofia Maria R. (4), Why Not Be Sexy (6)
Winning Trainer: William P Stites – Owner: William R Gotwals
$2 Exacta (1-10) Paid $143.40
$0.50 Trifecta (1-10-ALL) Paid $30.35
$0.10 Superfecta (1-10-ALL-ALL) Paid $6.16
$0.50 Pick 3 (7/8/1) Paid $302.45 (3OF3)
$0.50 Pick 3 (7/8/6) Paid $10.05 (3OF3)
$2 Double (8/1) Paid $179.00

[Hambletonian]

Originally Posted by HorsemenHeist

How is this not a 'no contest' ? Only 2 of the 7 finished due to a terrible spill, yet they paid off the race. Even show bets in a race where 2 finished.

Just another theft against the player.

Race 3
# Horse Jockey Win Place Show
1 Madame Curie Burg C $33.60 $10.80 $8.40
10 Showreel (GB) Centeno D $3.60 $3.80
Scratched: Critical Humor (2), Sofia Maria R. (4), Why Not Be Sexy (6)
Winning Trainer: William P Stites – Owner: William R Gotwals
$2 Exacta (1-10) Paid $143.40
$0.50 Trifecta (1-10-ALL) Paid $30.35
$0.10 Superfecta (1-10-ALL-ALL) Paid $6.16
$0.50 Pick 3 (7/8/1) Paid $302.45 (3OF3)
$0.50 Pick 3 (7/8/6) Paid $10.05 (3OF3)
$2 Double (8/1) Paid $179.00

Why do you think this would be a no contest? Nothing about the spill inhibited the two finishers from obtaining their best finishes.

[CincyHorseplayer]

I saw the race. The 4 way spill all happened behind the two leaders. And they were way out front. I think that is why they let it stand. Horrible, peeling off spill.

[cj]

I won't post the replay, but the third race yesterday (9-14) had four horses on the ground and one without a rider at the finish. The leader fell, three more fell over him, and another had the jockey jump off to avoid falling over the others. The two outside the leader went on to finish. The one loose horse caused some interference in the stretch as well, and it could even be argued the outriders did too trying to reel in the loose horse.

Stewards made the race official. You have got to be kidding me.

[jay68802]

Watched the race and agree with you, and the reason behind it is simple. GREED. the track does no want to give up the money wagered on the race. just another instance of horse racing putting money in front of doing the right thing.

[KidCapper]

I saw sitting at my local track when that happened. I swore it would be declared no contest and told people to hold on to their tickets ....evidently ...not.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by cj

I won't post the replay, but the third race yesterday (9-14) had four horses on the ground and one without a rider at the finish. The leader fell, three more fell over him, and another had the jockey jump off to avoid falling over the others. The two outside the leader went on to finish. The one loose horse caused some interference in the stretch as well, and it could even be argued the outriders did too trying to reel in the loose horse.

Stewards made the race official. You have got to be kidding me.

This has never bothered me. In 1986, there was a celebrated spill at Santa Anita that took Chris McCarron out before the Breeders' Cup. 5 horses fell in a 7 horse race. The track made the race official.

When you bet a race, you risk bad racing luck. I don't think there's any magic formula for determining how much bad racing luck is too much, and I don't really like stewards invalidating races due to trouble during the race.

[Elliott Sidewater]

CJ:
Just watched it now, wow. You're right, everything about it was just horrible. 10 to 15 years ago, we used to run at Delaware Park quite a bit, but the racing and the purses were much better then than they are now. The only good thing was the chart comment that all of the fallen horses appeared to be OK. I hope the riders are OK too. It is probably fortunate that this happened on the turf course, for both man and horse....

[Hambletonian]

Some of you guys make me laugh.

There was absolutely no mitigating circumstance present that would lead to the need for a no contest.

The spill was behind the two finishers.

The outriders did not effect the order of finish.

Nothing happened to prevent the remaining runners from reaching their highest possible placing.

It reminded me of the CT spill.

[AstrosFan]

CA has a rule in place, basically stating... that if half the field doesn't finish, then the race becomes a no contest.

So if DE doesn't have a rule like that in the books, I say it was the right call

Originally Posted by cj

I won't post the replay, but the third race yesterday (9-14) had four horses on the ground and one without a rider at the finish. The leader fell, three more fell over him, and another had the jockey jump off to avoid falling over the others. The two outside the leader went on to finish. The one loose horse caused some interference in the stretch as well, and it could even be argued the outriders did too trying to reel in the loose horse.

Stewards made the race official. You have got to be kidding me.

[Prioress Ply]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

This has never bothered me. In 1986, there was a celebrated spill at Santa Anita that took Chris McCarron out before the Breeders' Cup. 5 horses fell in a 7 horse race. The track made the race official.

When you bet a race, you risk bad racing luck. I don't think there's any magic formula for determining how much bad racing luck is too much, and I don't really like stewards invalidating races due to trouble during the race.

Wow so because it happened one other time 32 years ago that validates what Delaware did? Did it ever occur to you that might have been a mistake?

At what point would YOU call it a no contest? When no one at all crosses the line?

The sport is already in the sewer and examples like this clearly reveal why.

[JustRalph]

If all the horses fall down the riders are required to run to the finish line for placing purposes.

Pretty sure that's a rule.........in DE

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Prioress Ply

Wow so because it happened one other time 32 years ago that validates what Delaware did? Did it ever occur to you that might have been a mistake?

At what point would YOU call it a no contest? When no one at all crosses the line?

The sport is already in the sewer and examples like this clearly reveal why.

The answer to your question is if nobody crosses the line, or if a deus ex machina (such as the starting gate tractor breaking down) causes the trouble.

Otherwise I am fine with "you pays your money you takes your chances".

[therussmeister]

Originally Posted by Elliott Sidewater

CJ:
Just watched it now, wow. You're right, everything about it was just horrible. 10 to 15 years ago, we used to run at Delaware Park quite a bit, but the racing and the purses were much better then than they are now. The only good thing was the chart comment that all of the fallen horses appeared to be OK. I hope the riders are OK too. It is probably fortunate that this happened on the turf course, for both man and horse....

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...ed-at-delaware

Victor Carrasco and Jose Ferrer both hospitalized.

[GMB@BP]

This isnt the point of this thread but just read the follow up to the spill and sounds like very serious injuries to two very fine riders. Hoping they recover fully and can come back to the saddle.