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09-03-2017, 01:28 AM
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Now that Saturday was cancelled and shifted to Weds next week, I wonder if any jockey changes will occur as a result...I am thinking Florent Geroux may be up on a few more and the powers that be will have to recalc their Jockey 7 tables...
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09-03-2017, 04:50 PM
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more uneducated dollars isn't really a bad thing
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09-03-2017, 05:21 PM
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They have a jockey bet in Hong Kong every racing day.
Yesterday winner predictably was Moreira. Huge shocker.
Allan
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09-06-2017, 11:49 AM
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Can anybody out there upload here what the morning line odds for the Jockey 7 bet? Would be interesting to see what the odds spread is...
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09-06-2017, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I'm for educating newbies. Educate them and then maybe they become followers of the sport.
You seem to be against educating and instead feel like following a jockey and enjoying the atmosphere will lead to people becoming followers.
Good luck with that.
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If you can get them interested, they'll educate themselves. 90% of handicappers are 90% self educated. Newbies that ultimately get interested start buying the form the night before and start looking at it alone, start picking up things on their own.
Get them in the door and they'll either get hooked or not.
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09-06-2017, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Can anybody out there upload here what the morning line odds for the Jockey 7 bet? Would be interesting to see what the odds spread is...
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Hello Vigors, GL 2day, I found this-
https://www.kentuckydowns.com/conten...ockey7_pps.pdf
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09-06-2017, 01:24 PM
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actually this bet could require quite a bit of handicapping, looking at one jockey's mounts vs another. You need to handicap the horses, jockeys and a combination of both. Some jocks have more mounts, some ride lower odds horses, etc
Last edited by green80; 09-06-2017 at 01:27 PM.
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09-06-2017, 02:51 PM
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Preliminary contenders for Wednesday
Field
Robby
Tyler
Ricardo
Jose
Shaun
Last edited by VigorsTheGrey; 09-06-2017 at 02:53 PM.
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09-06-2017, 04:48 PM
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09-06-2017, 04:53 PM
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09-06-2017, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
What about online poker? The young gamblers took to online poker like fish to water...and many young players soon reached a level of development which encouraged the publication of many poker books, whose level of sophistication dwarfed that showcased by the currently available horseplayer literature.
IMO...the young gamblers of today have proven conclusively that they are MORE than willing to thoroughly apply themselves in a new gambling game...assuming that they see a good-enough reason for doing so.
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Poor comparison.
Online poker players could play thousands of hands a day, playing 2 to 8 games at a time to gain experience. Little doubt they brought a new age of aggressiveness to the game, but they also brought a lot of shooting stars that faded away quickly.
You can't be ultra-aggressive in horse racing or you'll die a quick death. You can't bet more to scare people away, cause all that does is lower your own odds. You actually have to beat people by selecting better horses, races, and spots, and not just getting hot cards, or on a roll, or playing steamrolling poker.
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09-06-2017, 07:16 PM
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Thought KD did this new wager very poorly.
Started in R4, and while they had massive hype leading up to that race, they couldn't even offer up a scoreboard for races after it commenced.
Should have been an easy scoreboard to total, and then highlight from race to race.
Hopefully they can learn and adjust, but that wasn't good. Not good at all.
By the way, does anybody even know the payout for the wager?
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09-06-2017, 07:53 PM
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The full chart isn't out yet as I type this.
That said, based on adding totals in my head for each race as shown on one of the adw sites where I have an account:
It looks like the new jockey wagers handled about $8k in total on a day when the rest of the card handled better than $4 mil.
At first glance it also looks like every exacta pool was waaay bigger than every win pool. (A real departure vs. other tracks that have much higher exacta takeout.)
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09-06-2017, 08:26 PM
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Just saw it.
Confusing to say the least. And nothing in the payouts.
Not sure they have the math right. Then again, not likely much money in the pool.
Hopefully they can learn and get better on it, or it will die a quick death.
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09-06-2017, 08:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey
Preliminary contenders for Wednesday
Field
Robby
Tyler
Ricardo
Jose
Shaun
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Looks my top 3 selections comprised the trifecta... 
Field #14
Robby #1
Tyler #4
Ricardo #12
Jose #13
Shaun #2
$1.00 Jockey Challenge EXACTA 4-14
40.20
$2.00 Jockey Challenge PLACE 14
9.00
$2.00 Jockey Challenge PLACE 4
6.80
$2.00 Jockey Challenge SHOW 1
3.00
$2.00 Jockey Challenge SHOW 14
4.80
$2.00 Jockey Challenge SHOW 4
4.80
$0.50 Jockey Challenge TRIFECTA 4-14-1
124.85
$2.00 Jockey Challenge WIN 4
17.80
Last edited by VigorsTheGrey; 09-06-2017 at 08:39 PM.
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