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09-01-2017, 10:07 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Yes. Pretty much. That would be 95% of the people I know.
Hand them a racing form, or try to teach them little tidbits of handicapping is too much. Way too much work. Much easier to go to the casino and not have to think. Not too mention, they don't have to wait 30 minutes between races to push a button or take a hit in Blackjack.
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People like this don't help racing. We need customers that are interested in handicapping.
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09-01-2017, 10:08 AM
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Join Date: May 2014
Location: Lincoln, NE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
People like this don't help racing. We need customers that are interested in handicapping.
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Good luck with that endeavor.
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09-01-2017, 10:27 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Good luck with that endeavor.
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I should hope so since the sport won't exist without gambling. Whatever is being done isn't working, and a jockey gimmick bet won't do much of anything either. Kentucky Downs is actually a great product on its own merits.
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09-01-2017, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I should hope so since the sport won't exist without gambling. Whatever is being done isn't working, and a jockey gimmick bet won't do much of anything either. Kentucky Downs is actually a great product on its own merits.
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The "sport" needs to attract the casual gambler, not the hardcore like us.
This is an information now, everything now society. Instant results are needed.
Attract the casual fan as best you can, because that is where the extra $'s will come from. And hopefully a few get hooked.
You really think a generation of 140 characters or less has the patience, much less interest, to get involved in 3 to 4 hour events with 8 to 10 opportunities?
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09-01-2017, 12:00 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 677
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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
One of the dumber ideas I've seen in awhile. The only good thing is a percentage of the wager goes to the PDJF.
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Hard to make everyone happy. Not sure what the problem is, a new idea, maybe it will work, maybe not. The idea of giving back t the jockey fund is nice. Like many things in life, if you don't like don't participate in it.
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09-01-2017, 12:37 PM
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Join Date: May 2016
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Since you know who the jockeys are riding, how would the bet not be subject to 'handicapping'?
They have a bet like this in Hong Kong.
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09-01-2017, 12:44 PM
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Best to wait and see how it all plays out...Each day will be different odds for the Jockeys....Tyler and Flojoe likely to be favored some days but will be interesting to see what the odds spread is like...also is somewhat interesting how the morning line is made and the calculations of who might have a reasonable shot at beating the field selection....
Last edited by VigorsTheGrey; 09-01-2017 at 12:46 PM.
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09-01-2017, 07:32 PM
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The sportsbooks in Australia have been doing "The Jockey Challenge" at tracks for years, and it's a very popular bet.
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09-01-2017, 07:39 PM
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While I will not play this wager, I do believe any new wager that helps eliminate the "barrier to knowledge entry" for newcomers is good for the sport. I see many people who go to the track for reasons other than to wager (social gathering, look at pretty horses, etc.). This type of wager could give them a chance to wager a little, win a bet and experience the cashing of a ticker and then possibly dive into the sport in more depth.
For those of you that have never been, Kentucky Downs is unlike any racetrack you will ever attend. Limited bleachers and seats so people back their vehicles to the rail. People enjoying the day tailgating. A racetrack of a unique configuration and undulating.
I try to drive over from St. Louis once a year to watch a card there.
Definitely worth the trip. Couple it with a round at PGA professional Kenny Perry's golf course and you have a great day trip.
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09-02-2017, 07:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Northern, KY
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This is a great bet. While I love to handicap, my parents when they go to the track don't. My mom loves Robby Alborado. She would love a bet like this and easily invest in this rather than skipping half the races like she does now. Her couple bucks won't save racing, but it is money the track would get that they aren't getting now and to me isn't that the whole point??
I can also see this as a very fun bet for tracks like Keeneland who get large groups down there for entertainment. We do all kinds of syndicates and I would love to be able to just tell our group one of our bigger bets is to root for jockey "X" in the last 7 races!
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09-02-2017, 11:08 PM
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Location: NJ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahoss9698
I do. I just find it odd they don't mind the thinking and work involved in fantasy football but can't be bothered to learn how to handicap.
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It's because they grew up watching football and already think they're experts at it and know more than their team's head coach, while the past performances are a confusing jumble of numbers.
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09-03-2017, 12:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
It's because they grew up watching football and already think they're experts at it and know more than their team's head coach, while the past performances are a confusing jumble of numbers.
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What about online poker? The young gamblers took to online poker like fish to water...and many young players soon reached a level of development which encouraged the publication of many poker books, whose level of sophistication dwarfed that showcased by the currently available horseplayer literature.
IMO...the young gamblers of today have proven conclusively that they are MORE than willing to thoroughly apply themselves in a new gambling game...assuming that they see a good-enough reason for doing so.
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09-03-2017, 12:24 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by castaway01
It's because they grew up watching football and already think they're experts at it and know more than their team's head coach, while the past performances are a confusing jumble of numbers.
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It doesn't help that the race itself rarely looks anything like the PPs....
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09-03-2017, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
It doesn't help that the race itself rarely looks anything like the PPs....
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When even the better handicappers out there start suspecting that "collusion" may exist among the jockeys of the premier racing meet in the country...then the game is in a tough spot indeed.
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09-03-2017, 12:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thaskalos
When even the better handicappers out there start suspecting that "collusion" may exist among the jockeys of the premier racing meet in the country...then the game is in a tough spot indeed.
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“It's a fool that looks for logic in the chambers of the human heart.”
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