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12-03-2019, 08:59 AM
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velocitician
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Why give a drug to horses that have NO evidence of epistaxis?
Imagine the same thing happening in human medicine......
Furosemide is not a replacement of normal chemistry like Synthroid or Insulin.
I have never understood why they did not first try hydrocholothiazde, a much milder diuretic with no evidence of Calcium loss.
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12-03-2019, 09:34 AM
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they banned cobalt in 2014 which caused profuse sweating and blood clots that led to heart attacks, especially at the very high doses it took to have an effect on horses.
i remember when you could actually tell if the horse was on it or not after the race in the winners circle on a mild day when the horse's forehead needed to be sponged down. today they still sponge down horses after they race. but that was not the case before the cobalt era.
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12-03-2019, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bob60566
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The problem is, this will last until a Bob Baffert Triple Crown winner tests positive, at which point they will repeal the regulation in secret.
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12-03-2019, 06:23 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Originally Posted by bob60566
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I love how it is 90 days, but two 30 days are served concurrently and the other 30 days are paroled unless he gets caught again. So really, it is 30 days.
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12-03-2019, 07:20 PM
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Vancouver Island
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I love how it is 90 days, but two 30 days are served concurrently and the other 30 days are paroled unless he gets caught again. So really, it is 30 days.
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This cowboy has over fifty violations dating back to 2006, The game must need him and his horses, Or not what you know but who you know.
Last edited by bob60566; 12-03-2019 at 07:24 PM.
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12-04-2019, 02:51 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Clarksville, AR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
I love how it is 90 days, but two 30 days are served concurrently and the other 30 days are paroled unless he gets caught again. So really, it is 30 days.
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Suspension already stayed, per DRF:
https://www.drf.com/news/asmussen-ge...n-acepromazine
Interesting (at least to me) side note is that Asmussen’s attorney for these matters is one of his owners, Clark Brewster.
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12-04-2019, 03:03 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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More ridiculousness on the part of this industry.
The DAY that a horse comes back positive is the day that it should be reported publicly. There should be a hearing set for 30 days from that day, which is ample time to get any split sample tested to confirm, and then if both were positive, at the hearing the punishment/suspension is implemented and the suspension starts the very next day. And that's regardless of the Kentucky Derby being the next day.
Total nonsense.
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12-04-2019, 08:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Why give a drug to horses that have NO evidence of epistaxis?
Imagine the same thing happening in human medicine.....
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No diagnosis, no drug. I agree.
Ditto, Thyro-L.
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12-04-2019, 08:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp
The problem is, this will last until a Bob Baffert Triple Crown winner tests positive, at which point they will repeal the regulation in secret.
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Or CHRB will "accidentally lose/discard" the blood sample so it will be a non issue.
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12-04-2019, 09:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fager Fan
It’s a press release, that means they are asking for anyone and everyone to post it.
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This forum owner just asked that full text material not be posted.
So other "theys" don't matter. 
(Just giving you a heads up about how privately-owned sites work, so you don't get tossed off.)
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12-04-2019, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by clicknow
This forum owner just asked that full text material not be posted.
So other "theys" don't matter.
(Just giving you a heads up about how privately-owned sites work, so you don't get tossed off.) |
I was telling the forum owner that the material wasn't copyrighted but was a press release, asking people to reprint it, so in this case no one should be worried about a copyright violation.
I have experienced firsthand though that this forum owner may ban someone at whatever whim he feels that day. 
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12-05-2019, 11:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by clicknow
Similar to how they prescribe biophosphonates for osteoporosis and now finding out that while it's supposed to build bone (on xrays) the more sophisticated scans are showing same results as in race horses..."spider webby" bones that really are not being strengthened at all.
I guess we have no idea how painful IV lasix could be to a horse. Not something that most people even think about, because winning is everything.
When you said kidney stones I recoiled in horror, having been there done that. I imagine that lasix can cause them as well, since duretics can certainly up the incidence of getting stones and staying well hydrated at all times is one of the keys to not getting kidney stones.
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I don't know about lasix causing stones, but my reference was to the feeling someone reached in with a hand on each kidneys and squeezed as hard as they could, which lasted about 30 minutes until there was no water left in them.
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12-05-2019, 12:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ubercapper
I don't know about lasix causing stones, but my reference was to the feeling someone reached in with a hand on each kidneys and squeezed as hard as they could, which lasted about 30 minutes until there was no water left in them.
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Horses can be pretty stoic but there are enough who aren't so that if Lasix caused any discernible discomfort, we'd know about it.
The new thing it looks like we're going to be trying is Lasix administration the day prior along with withholding water, just so we can say, "Look! No raceday drugs!" That's just assinine, but this is what we get when people keep making an issue of Lasix even though it's a non-issue.
So will all the anti-Lasix people be happy if we join "the rest of the world" by removing horses' water for long periods of time, the one horsemanship rule that no one otherwise ever seeks to break?
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