Robotic wagering -- something else bettors have to deal with

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Let's just say for some wild reason the tracks implement your suggestion. How fast do you think the game would collapse without that CRW money? How fast do you think the take-out would be raised, after they've already raised it to implement your idea?.......It's an IMPOSSIBILITY, period. Why do you think I posted what the true reality and the options are for the player, back in post-40?....Those are the only real POSSIBILITIES that are left.....Oaklawn is only a temporary trial, their handle will suffer proportionately.

Has Oaklawn collapsed?

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Has Oaklawn collapsed?

The only track that posted handle increases for the last two years was Saratoga, every other track is in a nosedive.....We'll see the same nosedive at Oaklawn, unfortunately.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

The only track that posted handle increases for the last two years was Saratoga, every other track is in a nosedive.....We'll see the same nosedive at Oaklawn, unfortunately.

But the nosedive (as you put it) at Oaklawn is not because of CRW being banned there.

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by davew

Would you have a problem if you liked 2 horses equally and one was 3/5 and the other 6/1. You bet the 6/1 and the guy who bet massive amounts on the 3/5 cancels 90% of their bet just before the off. Your 6/1 bet becomes a 4/5 and his 3/5 bet becomes a 4/1.

your 6/1 is more likely to become a 4/5 horse because of a massive wager than it is because of canceled bet. probably at least 50 times more likely. Go to 4/5 from 6/1 is pretty rare, but going to 5/2 from 6/1 isn't. I have had it happen to me a lot. It was never because of a canceled wager. I repeat never. If you looking to stop huge odds swings there are better places to look than canceled wagers.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

The more practical way would to either ban CRW like Oaklawn does, or, make it available to any bettor who wants it.

Define CRW.

I can use a computer to place bets within seconds of the race going off...many many bets in fact...how you gonna stop me? I've written programs to interact with online ADWs to do just this. And was doing it years ago as a matter of fact.

Point is, unless you have some sort of specifically defined version of CRW that you can actually REGULATE (and I don't believe it's possible), what you are suggesting can not be accomplished.

I hear Oaklawn did it? What did they really do? They banned an offshore ADW that catered to these types of players? OK. What about all the others? What about the genius who has his own independent setup working with an outlet that nobody knows about? Or better yet, the guy that has HIS OWN ADW or offshore establishment and uses THAT to CRW...who is going to ever find out and ban him?

[biggestal99]

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Define CRW.

I can use a computer to place bets within seconds of the race going off...many many bets in fact...how you gonna stop me? I've written programs to interact with online ADWs to do just this. And was doing it years ago as a matter of fact.

Point is, unless you have some sort of specifically defined version of CRW that you can actually REGULATE (and I don't believe it's possible), what you are suggesting can not be accomplished.

I hear Oaklawn did it? What did they really do? They banned an offshore ADW that catered to these types of players? OK. What about all the others? What about the genius who has his own independent setup working with an outlet that nobody knows about? Or better yet, the guy that has HIS OWN ADW or offshore establishment and uses THAT to CRW...who is going to ever find out and ban him?

If at track wanted to stop crw they would just needto cut off betting to all off track bettors at 5 minutes and only allow punched bets at the track after that.

Simple solution but handle at tracks would suffer mightily.

However, That would solve the post time odds drop.

Doubt any track owner wants to make enemies with their best customers

Allan

[baconswitchfarm]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Define CRW.

I can use a computer to place bets within seconds of the race going off...many many bets in fact...how you gonna stop me? I've written programs to interact with online ADWs to do just this. And was doing it years ago as a matter of fact.

Point is, unless you have some sort of specifically defined version of CRW that you can actually REGULATE (and I don't believe it's possible), what you are suggesting can not be accomplished.

I hear Oaklawn did it? What did they really do? They banned an offshore ADW that catered to these types of players? OK. What about all the others? What about the genius who has his own independent setup working with an outlet that nobody knows about? Or better yet, the guy that has HIS OWN ADW or offshore establishment and uses THAT to CRW...who is going to ever find out and ban him?

Oaklawn cut off crw wagering from the off shore sites. That's all it takes to fix the problem. Crw based in the USA is not the problem. I will explain. When a crw sends a suspicious bet from a Oregon based adw , the state parimutuel steps in and sees if the bet was sent in a timely manner. Thus a third party with no financial interest to intervene on behalf of fairness. If you are a crw playing in st Kitts and you send a batch wager ten seconds after the start , no one cares. That's why you can win at a far greater rate. The adw accepting the bet is also the regualorty agency to investigate . No one watching who is not getting rich on those bets and no watchdog at all.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Define CRW.

I can use a computer to place bets within seconds of the race going off...many many bets in fact...how you gonna stop me? I've written programs to interact with online ADWs to do just this. And was doing it years ago as a matter of fact.

Point is, unless you have some sort of specifically defined version of CRW that you can actually REGULATE (and I don't believe it's possible), what you are suggesting can not be accomplished.

I hear Oaklawn did it? What did they really do? They banned an offshore ADW that catered to these types of players? OK. What about all the others? What about the genius who has his own independent setup working with an outlet that nobody knows about? Or better yet, the guy that has HIS OWN ADW or offshore establishment and uses THAT to CRW...who is going to ever find out and ban him?

I don't know any of that, you'll have to ask the head guy at Oaklawn how they determine bets they accept aren't being placed by CRW.

[Hoofless_Wonder]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I don't know any of that, you'll have to ask the head guy at Oaklawn how they determine bets they accept aren't being placed by CRW.

It's my understanding that Oaklawn and Tampa take bets from CRW mechanisms.

What they have not done is offer larger rebates to whales based on handle, with their view that in the long run it will hurt handle.

Don't lump CRW into the same pile as whales or the same pile as large rebate receivers.....

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Hoofless_Wonder

It's my understanding that Oaklawn and Tampa take bets from CRW mechanisms.

What they have not done is offer larger rebates to whales based on handle, with their view that in the long run it will hurt handle.

Don't lump CRW into the same pile as whales or the same pile as large rebate receivers.....

I was under the impression that Oaklawn doesn't take CRW bets as well as bets from certain places, if what you say is true (and I'm not doubting you) than those places are misguided in their thinking. It's not the rebates that are hurting their ontrack customers, it's CRW because CRW makes the pools efficient and sucks the value out, not the rebates.

[Poindexter]

Originally Posted by baconswitchfarm

Oaklawn cut off crw wagering from the off shore sites. That's all it takes to fix the problem. Crw based in the USA is not the problem. I will explain. When a crw sends a suspicious bet from a Oregon based adw , the state parimutuel steps in and sees if the bet was sent in a timely manner. Thus a third party with no financial interest to intervene on behalf of fairness. If you are a crw playing in st Kitts and you send a batch wager ten seconds after the start , no one cares. That's why you can win at a far greater rate. The adw accepting the bet is also the regualorty agency to investigate . No one watching who is not getting rich on those bets and no watchdog at all.

So if this is the case then obviously past posting from this venue is going on.

[baconswitchfarm]

Originally Posted by Poindexter

So if this is the case then obviously past posting from this venue is going on.

So that is the question , isn't it. Or are the crw players there superior to everyone else on the planet. But not able to hit at the same rate when using a USA based adw.I think you can figure out the answer.