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05-01-2018, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
In principle I agree with your opinion on the issue. I wouldn't have wanted to join the EU. Especially if I was a northern and western European country.
That said... THIS IS EXACTLY WHY TRADE BLOCS FORM.
Just like on the playground where you have the big bully, in this case Trump, what do all the other little kids do? Team up to take him on.
Optics and MAGA aside this is now the second time in as many months Trump's blinked at the EU.
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05-01-2018, 11:06 AM
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#317
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Originally Posted by tucker6
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Like I said... second time in two months he's backed down and awarded exemptions.
At what point do his supporters though take him to task for his actions?
There is a reason the Breitbart's of the world are ignoring this story...
Last edited by elysiantraveller; 05-01-2018 at 11:08 AM.
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05-01-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Like I said... second time in two months he's backed down and awarded exemptions.
At what point do his supporters though take him to task for his actions?
There is a reason the Breitbart's of the world are ignoring this story...
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with those exemptions what did we get or do you not know? President Trump wins aain
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05-01-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
At what point do his supporters though take him to task for his actions?
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They never will.
Tariffs are just a small part of it.
Trump is furthering the conservative ideal.
Nothing else matters to them.
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05-01-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
In principle I agree with your opinion on the issue. I wouldn't have wanted to join the EU. Especially if I was a northern and western European country.
That said... THIS IS EXACTLY WHY TRADE BLOCS FORM.
Just like on the playground where you have the big bully, in this case Trump, what do all the other little kids do? Team up to take him on.
Optics and MAGA aside this is now the second time in as many months Trump's blinked at the EU.
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I think undoing about 30 years of committing economic suicide is going to be a lot tougher and take a lot longer than a single year in office. It also won't come without short term pain because once you organize a certain way, when you start undoing it there's going to be a lot of resistance and some big angry losers. It has to be done as slowly as it was put in place.
However, all that said, I am an economic nationalist.
I want what's best for this country as a whole and not just what's best for a handful of corporations and Wall St. I'm all for free trade and think it can be a "both sides win" kind of thing. It just hasn't been for the last 30 years.
Deals have to be fair and the deals have to make sense for the people of the United States.
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05-01-2018, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer
with those exemptions what did we get or do you not know? President Trump wins aain
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Source?
Because I can tell you pointblank that with the EU we got nothing.
The EU, Canada, and Mexico have said since the start they will not accept quotas.
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05-01-2018, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Source?
Because I can tell you pointblank that with the EU we got nothing.
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cause you just know how President Trump runs things right
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05-01-2018, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Source?
Because I can tell you pointblank that with the EU we got nothing.
The EU, Canada, and Mexico have said since the start they will not accept quotas.
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source is how good Trump has handled all negotiations to get whats best for America and the American citizens
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05-01-2018, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
They never will.
Tariffs are just a small part of it.
Trump is furthering the conservative ideal.
Nothing else matters to them.
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If we look at just the EU:
MARCH:
Trump: Trade wars are easy to win. We will slap duties on their cars. Hey Europe how about quotas?
EU: Nope.
Trump: Okay, well we are close so we'll grant a temporary extension.
APRIL/MAY:
Trump: Alright so lets figure this out. Quotas?
EU: Nope.
Trump: Okay. 30 day extension but this is the last time! I mean it.
Meanwhile, Germany and several other European countries have stated... blatantly... multiple times... they are willing to address the issue of over-capacity but not as a result of punitive sanction actions.
Art of the Deal.
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05-01-2018, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
If we look at just the EU:
MARCH:
Trump: Trade wars are easy to win. We will slap duties on their cars. Hey Europe how about quotas?
EU: Nope.
Trump: Okay, well we are close so we'll grant a temporary extension.
APRIL/MAY:
Trump: Alright so lets figure this out. Quotas?
EU: Nope.
Trump: Okay. 30 day extension but this is the last time! I mean it.
Meanwhile, Germany and several other European countries have stated... blatantly... multiple times... they are willing to address the issue of over-capacity but not as a result of punitive sanction actions.
Art of the Deal.
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If we look at Just how Great of a job President Trump is doing for America and the American citizens its more then awesome its great cause he works for us not Europe
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05-04-2018, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
My agenda here is to point out that the guy clearly has no idea what he is doing. That his policy is moronic and that he is simply pandering to the lower IQ voter that thinks everything is #winning.
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Is it that? Or is it he's just doing things in a way nobody else has done or thought of doing...
I mean, once again, I must ask someone on here to break out the "How to be POTUS" handbook and consult which pages cover this situation... 
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05-04-2018, 03:43 PM
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Armchair Presidents.......talk is cheap.
We got the tax cuts, we got the judges, we may soon have unexpected good news in Korea.
That outweighs the babble by so much it isn't even worth addressing.
All the "thinkers" are free to ponder and judge all they want to.
No one cares.
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05-05-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Is it that? Or is it he's just doing things in a way nobody else has done or thought of doing...
I mean, once again, I must ask someone on here to break out the "How to be POTUS" handbook and consult which pages cover this situation... |
Yes.
He's pandering.
Again, I'll point out the second time now he's extended EU exemptions with nothing in return. After kicking the nest to begin with and stating he did it for his voters.
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05-05-2018, 09:58 PM
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#329
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Yes.
He's pandering.
Again, I'll point out the second time now he's extended EU exemptions with nothing in return. After kicking the nest to begin with and stating he did it for his voters.
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How do you know we didnt get anything? Ill point again that President Trump works for America and the American people not Europe.
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05-05-2018, 11:05 PM
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#330
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Originally Posted by mrhorseplayer
Ill point again that President Trump works for America and the American people not Europe.
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Then why is he taxing American consumers by putting tariffs on the products that they buy?
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