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[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by raybo

At $1.50 per card, that will be quite attractive to a whole lot of players. Also, since, as of now, one cannot create CJ's figures, and if they prove to be as good as what many say they are, the only way you can get them is via this offering, which means that a whole lot of players will be betting the same high fig horses presented in this offering, resulting in decreased prices on those horses.

Someone that feels like you should probably make their own figures.

The reality that part of the game is using the same information better.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Someone that feels like you should probably make their own figures.

The reality that part of the game is using the same information better.

I do, but they are velocity based. I was forced to do that because of the poor quality of the pace figures around. CJ's pace figures, according to his users, are far from poor. So, if they were offered to me, I would definitely look at them, but only if they came in a data file, not as they are currently presented. I would not use them by themselves though, but in combination with other factors, and I am not inclined to do that with a paper and pencil and a calculator, which is the only way that could be done with the current offering.

[cj]

A review of the races at Belmont so far:

Race 1: Pace Projector 5-1A-7 (Favors Horses On/Near Early Lead)
Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 7(90) 5(82) 6(81) 1A(81)

1A first time for Jacobsen

Horses were 5-1A-7 after the pace call, and finished 1A-5-7.

Winner paid 4.20, exacta 45.80, trifecta 122.00.

Race 2: All first time starters

Race 3: Pace Projector 5-3-6 (No Favors designation)
Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 8 (83) 2 (74) 5 and 6 (71)

Horses were 6-5-1 after a 1/2 (3 was checked sharply early), and finished 8-5-2.

Winner paid $8.60, exacta 50.50, and trifecta 102.00.

Race 4: Pace Projector 3-6-4 (Favors Horses On/Near Early Lead)
Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 3 (95) 6 (86) 1 (85)

Was 3-6-5 after the 1/4 mile, finished 3-5-1.

Winner paid 9.10, exacta 35.00, trifecta 150.00.

More to come after more races are run, good, bad or indifferent.

[cj]

Race 5: Pace projector 1-3-5 (No Favors designation)

Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 3 (90) 1 (87) 5 (80)

2 MTP

[cj]

Race 6: Pace projector 8-1-2 (No Favors designation)

Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 3 (56) 2 (52) 9 (51)

[proximity]

Originally Posted by MarcAtTimeformUS

2) At first we'll just display a single number on a 100 point scale: how well this horse is bred for turf routes, for example, based on the figure history of his family. But the display will eventually become one heck of a pop-out, giving you... A lot more. I'll leave it at that for now.
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one problem with drf is that a horse could have a good rating for today's circumstances, but you can't see if his other ratings are possibly excellent or poor..... specifically the distance tomlinsons. so it would be good to see ALL of a horse's ratings.

[cj]

Originally Posted by cj

Race 5: Pace projector 1-3-5 (No Favors designation)

Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 3 (90) 1 (87) 5 (80)

2 MTP

Horses were 1-3-5 after the 1/4, finished 4-3-1. Surely a huge new top 3rd off the layoff and second off the claim for the 4, wasn't finding this one with figures.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by cj

Race 6: Pace projector 8-1-2 (No Favors designation)

Best by last Speed Figure on today's surface: 3 (56) 2 (52) 9 (51)

I've got it as favoring a late horse, or

Don't have a running style for or though (?)

[cj]

Originally Posted by raybo

I've got it as favoring a late horse, or

Don't have a running style for or though (?)

These things are always tricky in maiden races. Running styles can and do change often. The 2, for example, showed zero speed first three times out, then led his last race before collapsing.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by cj

These things are always tricky in maiden races. Running styles can and do change often. The 2, for example, showed zero speed first three times out, then led his last race before collapsing.

I agree, and everybody's running styles are different, too. The ones I use are drastically different than most, not even close to Brisnet's. Early speed points differ also, so using running styles and early speed points that are not like everybody else's puts you on horses that the public doesn't care for many times.

And, of course, this is a turf race where running styles don't have as much impact, versus dirt races. I weight class and distance higher in turf races, versus pace, speed, and style, which would put me on and .

[Robert Fischer]

r6 is just kind of a low quality field.

could compete if no one else fires.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

r6 is just kind of a low quality field.

could compete if no one else fires.

Yeah, it's pretty much a crap shoot, with the 4 being the horse to beat, I suppose, looks like it is on the improve (?)

[Robert Fischer]

well, somebody fired.

that was a tough race anyway

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

well, somebody fired.

that was a tough race anyway

Yeah, lack of data on all horses can bite you in the butt!

did get a distant 2nd though.

[cj]

Originally Posted by cj

These things are always tricky in maiden races. Running styles can and do change often. The 2, for example, showed zero speed first three times out, then led his last race before collapsing.

I kind of suspected the 2 would revert to off the pace, and ran a very nice race, winning at 5 to 1.

2-6-1? Think the 1 got 3rd.

After a 1/2 they were sitting 1-5-8.