TimeformUS

[cj]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

My question is where are you going to get the raw times. Will you use the Equibase times like everybody else or will you some how get other times like from Trackus or time the races yourself?

The PPs use Equibase as the supplier of data. That doesn't, however, mean I am stuck using the times for my figures. I can and often do check any available source when something doesn't look right, and I am pretty darn good at spotting errors after all these years.

[cj]

Originally Posted by cj

The PPs use Equibase as the supplier of data. That doesn't, however, mean I am stuck using the times for my figures. I can and often do check any available source when something doesn't look right, and I am pretty darn good at spotting errors after all these years.

To be clear about the above, I just don't see an error and "break it out" from the other races. I investigate and figure out the real time, at least the best I can.

[TheEdge07]

Im in the minority i like the pps for one horse at a time.click and u only see the pps for that one horse.im all in..good luck to all involved..

[Robert Fischer]

Belmont Park | Race 9


great race to handicap.

9F maiden on the inner turf. A whole lineup of good connections and well meant entries.


https://timeformus.com/

[BetHorses!]

I think #4 Neolexia ML is high

Good race...wide open

[PICSIX]

Originally Posted by Maximillion

The pace projector (much like cj) is very straightforward and thoroughly explained on what it is designed to do.I would rather not wager thru TVG but if that is what is necesssary I would gladly pay it.

I'm looking forward to comparing my pace projections to those generated by TimeformUS!

[MarcAtTimeformUS]

It might be a good race to handicap, but wouldn't it be nice to have pedigree ratings based on Craig's figures, too? Coming very soon. The fun parts about that one:
1) the team has built this piece with only a bit of counsel from Craig, so we get to impress the Chief Figure Maker with just how good of breeding ratings we can make out of his numbers. Craig has been patient through the Perpetual Dev Cyle, it will be nice to do something fresh with his numbers.

2) At first we'll just display a single number on a 100 point scale: how well this horse is bred for turf routes, for example, based on the figure history of his family. But the display will eventually become one heck of a pop-out, giving you... A lot more. I'll leave it at that for now.

3) one step in the process will be integrating overseas horses into the ratings. If today's runner has several 1/2 sibs who were rock stars in Ireland on turf, we will eventually capture that in our pedigree ratings, too. Another benefit of harmonizing our figure scale with the TF global scale.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by BetHorses!

I think #4 Neolexia ML is high

Good race...wide open

Yeah, I have its fair odds at 6/1.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by raybo

Yeah, I have its fair odds at 6/1.

What do you guys think about Johnny V on the MAGICAL WORLD instead of Pletcher's PATH OF DREAMS??

Could have been a previous commitment?

Could have been connections just wanted a rare new direction after a couple near misses w/1 ?

Do they think the 2 has serious potential ??

just another puzzle.

virtual 'murderers row' of trainers in here Pletcher,Shug,Brown,Toner,Shirreffs,Hushion,Bush,M ott,Bond
vying for a $75K purse

good handicapper's race

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

What do you guys think about Johnny V on the MAGICAL WORLD instead of Pletcher's PATH OF DREAMS??

Could have been a previous commitment?

Could have been connections just wanted a rare new direction after a couple near misses w/1 ?

Do they think the 2 has serious potential ??

just another puzzle.

virtual 'murderers row' of trainers in here Pletcher,Shug,Brown,Toner,Shirreffs,Hushion,Bush,M ott,Bond
vying for a $75K purse

good handicapper's race

I suspect it's a previous commitment thing, and maybe that Shug wants Velazquez on his horse because he is expecting the horse to "wake up" at 9f on the turf and wants V to be in the saddle if that happens.

Just another question we, as handicappers, have to ponder. If the horse runs a really good race, I guess we'll have our answer.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by raybo

So, how do you explain what happened to the Beyers?

I don't think it was a case of Beyer figures losing value because he came public with them.

I think a lot more people started using time based figures from a variety of sources (or making their own) so there has been a general decline in the price of the fastest horses for all brands of final time figures. His books may have had something to do with that.

But if you have figures that measure performance in a different way equally well or do a better job of measuring performance than final time figures alone, I think you are on safer ground unless TimeformUS captures almost the whole market. I use the figures and I'm not worried, though Marc may be intent on capturing the whole market.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by TheEdge07

Im in the minority i like the pps for one horse at a time.click and u only see the pps for that one horse.im all in..good luck to all involved..

The major advantage is that you can bounce from #1 to #14 and back quickly without turning pages, scrolling endlessly etc....

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by raybo

I suspect it's a previous commitment thing, and maybe that Shug wants Velazquez on his horse because he is expecting the horse to "wake up" at 9f on the turf and wants V to be in the saddle if that happens.

Just another question we, as handicappers, have to ponder. If the horse runs a really good race, I guess we'll have our answer.

Pace Projector shows the as the 2nd likely speed.

with that inside post and this distance, I'd have to guess Saez will have the on or near the lead saving ground. I think she's a big threat to win here and I want 7/2 or higher (ML is 6-1).

[raybo]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I don't think it was a case of Beyer figures losing value because he came public with them.

I think a lot more people started using time based figures from a variety of sources (or making their own) so there has been a general decline in the price of the fastest horses for all brands of final time figures. His books may have had something to do with that.

But if you have figures that measure performance in a different way equally well or do a better job of measuring performance than final time figures alone, I think you are on safer ground unless TimeformUS captures almost the whole market. I use the figures and I'm not worried, though Marc may be intent on capturing the whole market.

At $1.50 per card, that will be quite attractive to a whole lot of players. Also, since, as of now, one cannot create CJ's figures, and if they prove to be as good as what many say they are, the only way you can get them is via this offering, which means that a whole lot of players will be betting the same high fig horses presented in this offering, resulting in decreased prices on those horses.

[raybo]

Originally Posted by Robert Fischer

Pace Projector shows the as the 2nd likely speed.

with that inside post and this distance, I'd have to guess Saez will have the on or near the lead saving ground. I think she's a big threat to win here and I want 7/2 or higher (ML is 6-1).

The has been on or near the lead in its last 3 races, and hasn't won yet. Good luck.