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08-21-2016, 10:50 PM
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The 3 won the race...but calling it a dead heat is an understandable mistake. You can't expect them to get these tight finishes right all the time.
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08-21-2016, 10:52 PM
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Then why are some digital wires thicker than others?
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If a winner is declared by which nose is ahead of the other, then the digital wire could be as thick as the entire right side of photo. We could call it a digital wall for all I care. Wouldn't matter.
I've revised my opinion. The winner of a horse race is the horse whose nose (could be a micrometer of nostril flare) is ahead of the other at the finish.
The photo as presented by Del Mar above shows me they blew it. It's pretty clear the bottom horse should have been declared the winner.
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08-21-2016, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
If a winner is declared by which nose is ahead of the other, then the digital wire could be as thick as the entire right side of photo. We could call it a digital wall for all I care. Wouldn't matter.
I've revised my opinion. The winner of a horse race is the horse whose nose (could be a micrometer of nostril flare) is ahead of the other at the finish.
The photo as presented by Del Mar above shows me they blew it. It's pretty clear the bottom horse should have been declared the winner.
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08-21-2016, 11:04 PM
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[url] but I'll be the first to admit I don't know the specifics of what is considered a dead heat.
Any photo experts out there?
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I'm not a photo expert.
At the Olympic Games runners have been separated and awarded positions by thousandths of a second.
Simple Question: Why can't horse racing do that?
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08-21-2016, 11:09 PM
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If there was a shutter cam it would tell all, would it not.
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08-21-2016, 11:12 PM
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If there was a shutter cam it would tell all, would it not.
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Don't think you need a shutter cam for the photo in question.
My guess is those things cost lots of money. Which is the reason why odds updates aren't in real time...tracks don't like to spend money on their racing product...or do anything that might make things better for the wagering fan.
I'll take that back and say MOST TRACKS...not all...
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08-21-2016, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Don't think you need a shutter cam for the photo in question.
My guess is those things cost lots of money. Which is the reason why odds updates aren't in real time...tracks don't like to spend money on their racing product...or do anything that might make things better for the wagering fan.
I'll take that back and say MOST TRACKS...not all...
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Can't argue that.
Ray Paulick want on a rant on twitter about Del Mar tonight and posted pics, worth looking at and kudos to Ray for calling a spade a spade.
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08-22-2016, 12:09 AM
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Can't argue that.
Ray Paulick want on a rant on twitter about Del Mar tonight and posted pics, worth looking at and kudos to Ray for calling a spade a spade.
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I thought it was pretty clear on shutter cam that the three won - I was very surprised that they called it a dead heat.
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08-22-2016, 12:38 AM
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Why is this a debate? The #3 won. There is space regarding the #4. Don't understand what's left to discuss....other than it is crooked. If 3 people can't see this, I don't know what to say.
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08-22-2016, 02:44 AM
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Already on CHRB agenda I heard
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08-22-2016, 02:50 AM
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I believe that the judges used improper technique.
Because of the sloppy 'line' placement on the bottom horse, even if the top horse has a pixel or two on the line , We have to then 'extrapolate' that there is a probability that the bottom horse is still ahead (using probability/common sense, but making an extrapolation just the same).
Had the line been placed properly for the bottom horse upon his forward-most , clearly-visible pixels, then we could look at the top horse to see if there was a clearly visible pixel also touching the line.
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08-22-2016, 06:43 AM
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What about the inside horse's hoof on the line? Does that matter, or is it always a nose job?
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08-22-2016, 09:46 AM
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What about the inside horse's hoof on the line? Does that matter, or is it always a nose job?
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It is the nose.
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08-22-2016, 09:58 AM
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This thread reminded me of the Odd Couple episode where Felix (a photographer) was arguing that all cameras distort after losing a tight photo for their entire bankroll (other than $5 for socks).
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08-22-2016, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
This thread reminded me of the Odd Couple episode where Felix (a photographer) was arguing that all cameras distort after losing a tight photo for their entire bankroll (other than $5 for socks).
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Great episode. Felix: "Why should I risk my savings on blue chips, mutual funds, and treasury bonds? I've got a midget named Harry!"
BTW, I had the  but not the  in my sequence, so I'm not complaining, but the definitely won that race.
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