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Old 04-23-2016, 04:57 PM   #166
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See, I never had any respecct for Keeneland.
The morons there have what, 46-48 down weeks a year, and they can't get his done????

Do racing a facvor - BOYCOTT this God-forsaken crap hole of a track.
May it rain every sinlge day it is open.
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Old 04-23-2016, 05:21 PM   #167
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Decades ago, I used to time my local track with two handheld stopwatches. Right from when the gate opened. Then I'd time the videotaped replay with same. (It was amazing that the videotape always was perfect in that regard.)

About once every 3rd or 4th day, there would be a cluster with the automatic timer. I never could figure the reason for it, only that it could be nearly a full second off. Birds flying in front of an electric eye or a joker employee doing whatever ... who knows?

When I first began going through that routine, I thought that I had a major coup for future races involving those mistakes. But it was funny how the locals seemed to realize that the DRF info was bogus, too, thus negating my purported edge.

In the end, the only edge that all of my effort yielded were situations where the whole field was either fast or slow out of the gate, which (for cheaper claimers) could separate real frontrunners from a field of lamer animals.
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Old 04-26-2016, 09:20 AM   #168
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April 20th, R6 at Aqueduct, 1/2 mile fraction of 45.65 is almost assuredly wrong. Trakus has it 46.89.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:44 PM   #169
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All Belmont Turf Sprints on opening day. 119 (7F) for a horse being geared down???? (Course record)

AVG NY breds going 107....???
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:57 PM   #170
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All Belmont Turf Sprints on opening day. 119 (7F) for a horse being geared down???? (Course record)

AVG NY breds going 107....???
How do the times look compared to what Trakus has? I'll dig deeper tonight.
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Old 04-29-2016, 05:48 PM   #171
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Trakus has 119.30 VS. DRF's/Equibases 119.47.

Maybe there's more of a run up today? Maybe the rail setting caused a mistime?
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:01 PM   #172
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Trakus has 119.30 VS. DRF's/Equibases 119.47.

Maybe there's more of a run up today? Maybe the rail setting caused a mistime?
What was the rail setting today? Belmont using 35 and 27 and such is kind of new so I don't trust the in house system.
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:41 PM   #173
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What possible reason is there to be using new rail setting after all these years?
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Old 05-06-2016, 07:43 PM   #174
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What possible reason is there to be using new rail setting after all these years?
Seems to be a new trend. I've seen new rail settings pop up at Belmont, Santa Anita, and Keeneland off the top of my head in recent times. I'm sure there are others. My programs spit out a message any time a new configuration is run since I don't have any data for it.
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Old 05-06-2016, 09:07 PM   #175
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First Trakus, now rail settings.
Can't reply on anything in this industry anymore.
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Old 05-09-2016, 12:59 PM   #176
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First Trakus, now rail settings.
Can't reply on anything in this industry anymore.
Both stakes races at Belmont Saturday were run with distance / rail setting combos which have never been run before.
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Old 05-12-2016, 05:07 PM   #177
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LosAl 4/24/2016 3rd 6F C$16KN3L

22.10 43.84 57.53 110.81

Conditioned claimers went 21 and 4 on the tight turn of LosAl, then went 13 and 3 on the dead straight away from the quarter pole to the eighth pole? I don't think so.

I tried a hand time, which I am not skilled at at all, and came up with a 2nd quarter mile of 23.20. That would make the second split 45.30, which from a visual standpoint makes sense, and a hand-timed 5th eighth of 12.27, for a split of 57.57, which means to me the recorded split is probably accurate, and which also fits a more traditional story-line.

Who cares? Right? Cheap claimer at LosAl. When I watched the replay the first time and saw them post the second split, I figured I'd just look at the chart and see what the real number was, but nobody bothered to fix it, so it stands as is.

Bogus.
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LosAl 4/24/2016 3rd 6F C$16KN3L

22.10 43.84 57.53 110.81

Conditioned claimers went 21 and 4 on the tight turn of LosAl, then went 13 and 3 on the dead straight away from the quarter pole to the eighth pole? I don't think so.

I tried a hand time, which I am not skilled at at all, and came up with a 2nd quarter mile of 23.20. That would make the second split 45.30, which from a visual standpoint makes sense, and a hand-timed 5th eighth of 12.27, for a split of 57.57, which means to me the recorded split is probably accurate, and which also fits a more traditional story-line.

Who cares? Right? Cheap claimer at LosAl. When I watched the replay the first time and saw them post the second split, I figured I'd just look at the chart and see what the real number was, but nobody bothered to fix it, so it stands as is.

Bogus.
I fixed this one in my figures, I just run out of energy posting them all here. In this case by fixed I just removed the half mile call and went with the 1/4 and final time only. Sometimes you just can't get a good time from video. There are so many it gets old to be honest. I'm sure I miss some too.

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Old 05-27-2016, 11:18 PM   #179
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Belmont's 4th from today:

Equibase chart: 22.62 43.75 55.89 1:07.14
Trakus: 22.59 45.22 55.98 1:07.23

I'm guessing Trakus is the more believable one here, but even there it's unexpected to see a final quarter in almost 22 flat for a horse on the lead, Belmont course has been insanely fast lately though. Believe that's the 4th track record on the grass since the meet opened less than a month ago.
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Belmont's 4th from today:

Equibase chart: 22.62 43.75 55.89 1:07.14
Trakus: 22.59 45.22 55.98 1:07.23

I'm guessing Trakus is the more believable one here, but even there it's unexpected to see a final quarter in almost 22 flat for a horse on the lead, Belmont course has been insanely fast lately though. Believe that's the 4th track record on the grass since the meet opened less than a month ago.
Comparing Equibase and Trakus race times are like comparing apples and oranges; both are fruits, but with very different taste.

Equibase is measuring individual “race time” with respect to distance.

Trakus is measuring individual “horse time” with respect to displacement.

What is the difference?

Equibase’s time is for a prescribed prerace distance measured at fixed points during the race and at the finish line.

Trakus measures the time of each horse and its displacement during the race using the point of intersection from the rail and the starting line.

Trakus is using vector analysis whereas Equibase is not.
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