Trump signs tariffs

[garyscpa]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

That's positively poetic!

Hey, it doesn't even rhyme.

[Tom]

We all lost that election. Some of us just haven't figured it yet.

Coming from a nonparticipant, that is a bold statement.
One that many of us who did take part do not agree with at all.
When you don't suit up, you don't get to keep score.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

Coming from a nonparticipant, that is a bold statement.
One that many of us who did take part do not agree with at all.
When you don't suit up, you don't get to keep score.

I didn't say I am a non-participant. I said I didn't vote for either of the major candidates.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I didn't say I am a non-participant. I said I didn't vote for either of the major candidates.

By proxy, not voting for one of the major candidates is tantamount to voting for one of them. Let's say you voted for the socialist candidate rather than Hillary. In essence, that is a vote for Trump because that is one less Hillary vote. So you made your decision consciously knowing your vote likely helped the opposite position to the one you hold. I'm not here to say voting one of the other parties is bad, but let's be real. You knew going into the voting booth that you were supporting one of the major candidates by proxy.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Clocker

I didn't say I am a non-participant. I said I didn't vote for either of the major candidates.

Ok, then you keep score.

[Tom]

The thing we have to do is get MORE people to vote third party.
Trump was never supposed to happen. The Deep Government had set it up so that it could never happen.
But it went wrong.

We can expect a very intense effort from the Shadow People in the next elections.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

By proxy, not voting for one of the major candidates is tantamount to voting for one of them. Let's say you voted for the socialist candidate rather than Hillary. In essence, that is a vote for Trump because that is one less Hillary vote.

That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if I vote for the socialist, that is a vote for Trump. By that logic, if I vote for the Libertarian, that is a vote for Hillary. That is based on your opinion that I shouldn't vote third party, I should always just shut my mouth, hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of the two evils.

Not voting for the lesser of two evils sends a message: a pox on both your houses. Maybe some day "they" will figure it out. In the mean time, I still have my pride.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Clocker

That doesn't make any sense. You are saying that if I vote for the socialist, that is a vote for Trump. By that logic, if I vote for the Libertarian, that is a vote for Hillary. That is based on your opinion that I shouldn't vote third party, I should always just shut my mouth, hold my nose, and vote for the lesser of the two evils.

Not voting for the lesser of two evils sends a message: a pox on both your houses. Maybe some day "they" will figure it out. In the mean time, I still have my pride.

First of all, I respect everyone's right to vote however they wish. That said, there are ramifications to everyone's vote. No matter how you frame it Clocker, your vote helped either Trump or Clinton, and you knew that going into the booth. There is no other argument that can be made. Now you can call it a protest vote against the two party system, but you know what, the two parties don't give a crap about you or me. I respect what you did if it is what you believe, but just don't come on here and say your vote didn't help one of the two major parties because it most certainly did.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by tucker6

but just don't come on here and say your vote didn't help one of the two major parties because it most certainly did.

No, you are still assuming that I should have voted for the lesser of two evils. Why is that my civic or moral responsibility?

If I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, I have three options. I can vote third party, I can vote for state and local candidates and leave the presidential choice blank, or I can just "elect" not to vote. Are those last two helping one of the two major parties? Or is it hurting them? Or is it at least sending a message to them?

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by Clocker

No, you are still assuming that I should have voted for the lesser of two evils. Why is that my civic or moral responsibility?

If I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, I have three options. I can vote third party, I can vote for state and local candidates and leave the presidential choice blank, or I can just "elect" not to vote. Are those last two helping one of the two major parties? Or is it hurting them? Or is it at least sending a message to them?

I don't care how you vote. I'm just pointing out that in our rigged two party system, EVERY action you take one way or the other supports one of those two major parties whether you like to believe that or not. And no, you may have tried to send a message, but it was returned to sender as undeliverable.

Let's take your choices one at a time, and let's assume you are a Green Party supporter, and lean left:

1. Vote for one of the two major parties. This is obvious. A Clinton vote helps Clinton, and I guess the rationale is that she'll keep supporting green initiatives.
2. Vote Green Party candidate. This helps Trump because Clinton now has one less vote than she would have if you had held your nose and voted for the lesser of two evils.
3. Decide not to vote for a president. In reality, your non vote helps Trump because you decided not to hold your nose and vote for Clinton.

The same scenario for Libertarians plays out the opposite way. Not voting for Trump helps Clinton. And it's okay. Look at Ross Perot. He killed Bush 41's numbers, and helped elect Clinton.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by incoming

Over 5 million workers have received raises, bonuses and increased retirement incentives. Clearly, these companies foresee lots of growth. Companies are coming back home and bringing their cash with them. Foreign companies are planning to build new plants in USA. President Trump is in Florida negotiating a better deal with Japan as we type. I'm wondering why all of a sudden are we worried about deficits and tariffs the budgets has not been balanced since 1994.

All we hear from the snowflakes.....WOE IS ME!!!!

Where is that porn star when you need her.

I hear solar panel company's inside these United States are doing much better now, I bet Stormy has a better chance selling panels than she will face with her legal terms agreement.

[elysiantraveller]

SEIA reports 18 companies reducing solar deployment, workforce in 2018

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

SEIA reports 18 companies reducing solar deployment, workforce in 2018

Yeah, but the solar power manufacturers are in hog heaven. With big tariffs on imports, they can raise their prices and still be more competitive than they were. And since production is highly automated, it's all gravy. Just crank up the robots to warp speed, Scotty.

Now all they have to do is get home owners to buy the stuff.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by tucker6

First of all, I respect everyone's right to vote however they wish. That said, there are ramifications to everyone's vote. No matter how you frame it Clocker, your vote helped either Trump or Clinton, and you knew that going into the booth. There is no other argument that can be made. Now you can call it a protest vote against the two party system, but you know what, the two parties don't give a crap about you or me. I respect what you did if it is what you believe, but just don't come on here and say your vote didn't help one of the two major parties because it most certainly did.

On the other hand, any time you cast a vote and it isn't for one of the two major parties, you are beginning to scare the shit out of them. It is most certainly more than simply a vote for one or the other by proxy, even if it is that as well.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

On the other hand, any time you cast a vote and it isn't for one of the two major parties, you are beginning to scare the shit out of them. It is most certainly more than simply a vote for one or the other by proxy, even if it is that as well.

If enough people voted third party, candidates would be dropping in the streets like flies.

Even more so than some are now.....