Still laughing at global warming.......

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

I didn't say I have to wait regarding your comment; You take it wrong.,made in another post to me. All you have to do is tell me if you agree with this statement: I understand, from your statement, that you're claiming stability, i.e a non-changing environment creates the need for adaption and the survival of cockroaches and crocodiles, to the present day, is evidence factually proving that the earth's environment has remained stable?



I will happily wait for the reason why you agree, if you do agree, until HalvOnHorseracing chimes in.

I said there were different types of adaptation. I did not say stable conditions now contradicts changing conditions in the past or that those conditions then preclude adaptation in stable conditions now

Just to be thorough and to illustrate another shade of grey, not included in your yes/no, all/nothing, black/white philosophy, other than structural or physical adaptation there is ...

Behavioral adaptations are the things organisms do to survive. For example, bird calls and migration are behavioral adaptations. Adaptations are the result of evolution. Evolution is a change in a species over long periods of time. Adaptations usually occur because a gene mutates or changes by accident. Not because of only a changing environment

It may be some cockroaches and other insects are still adapting now during stable conditions both structurally and behaviorally. Changing conditions only provide more opportunities for certain changes to be implemented. Or to pass their successful genes (changes) on to their descendants. Genes can still mutate for the better or worse.

Some insects could still be adapting, albeit more slowly. As I tried to say It all depends on multiple dynamics or shades of grey and probabilities. Being able to judge these probabilities mathematical is a major advance of modern times.

[Show Me the Wire]

FYI everyone, the climate change tipping has been pushed back for another two years, so countries can implement the Paris Climate Accord. So everyone take a deep breath and relax.

Let' s just hope those unruly volcanoes co-operate with the Paris Accord timeline.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by SMTW

FYI everyone, the climate change tipping has been pushed back for another two years,

Says who?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

I said there were different types of adaptation. I did not say stable conditions now contradicts changing conditions in the past or that those conditions then preclude adaptation in stable conditions now

Just to be thorough and to illustrate another shade of grey, not included in your yes/no, all/nothing, black/white philosophy, other than structural or physical adaptation there is ...

Behavioral adaptations are the things organisms do to survive. For example, bird calls and migration are behavioral adaptations. Adaptations are the result of evolution. Evolution is a change in a species over long periods of time. Adaptations usually occur because a gene mutates or changes by accident. Not because of only a changing environment

It may be some cockroaches and other insects are still adapting now during stable conditions both structurally and behaviorally. Changing conditions only provide more opportunities for certain changes to be implemented. Or to pass their successful genes (changes) on to their descendants. Genes can still mutate for the better or worse.

Some insects could still be adapting, albeit more slowly. As I tried to say It all depends on multiple dynamics or shades of grey and probabilities. Being able to judge these probabilities mathematical is a major advance of modern times.

I could have been clearer. When I said to you; However, I take it from the content of your post you do not agree with the claims articulated by HalvOnHorseracing. Maybe you should give him some hints.


I was referring to the claim, through a typo, that a stable environment is the reason why adaption occurs. It occurs because the earth's environment is unstable and genetics allows adaption or behavior needs to adapt, thus the species who adjusts better survive because they are more fit (equipped) to survive the change.

The earth's environment, including the atmosphere, is inherently unstable with or without man's activities.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by hcap

Says who?

The U.N. conference of parties meeting yesterday.

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Typos happen. I hope you noticed I acted in good faith in asking you if I understood your claims correctly.

I appreciate it.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

The U.N. conference of parties meeting yesterday.

I love the way you play hcap like a good old paddle ball!

[davew]

The protests in France are because of the 'climate change tax' - a 10% increase in gas tax. The climate accord wants to increase gas taxes from what it is now, to $48 in the next 12 years to 'help fight climate change'. I wonder how that will go over here in North America?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

The U.N. conference of parties meeting yesterday.

Eh,.....

https://poststar.com/ap/washington/c...8affe416a.html

Dec 2, 2018

Climate change worse than we imagined
Global warming is faster, more extensive and just plain worse than they once thought it would be, scientists say now.

Dec 2, 2018

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

I could have been clearer. When I said to you; However, I take it from the content of your post you do not agree with the claims articulated by HalvOnHorseracing. Maybe you should give him some hints.


I was referring to the claim, through a typo, that a stable environment is the reason why adaption occurs. It occurs because the earth's environment is unstable and genetics allows adaption or behavior needs to adapt, thus the species who adjusts better survive because they are more fit (equipped) to survive the change.

The earth's environment, including the atmosphere, is inherently unstable with or without man's activities.

Don't miss the point that man can create instability. Every hear the phrase "nuclear winter?" The earth is not unstable day to day. For tens of thousands of years man has survived. Man will survive global climate changes even if he does nothing to avoid them, although he may not live in underwater states like Florida or New Jersey. And a lot of people may die because drought disrupts agriculture. What is so difficult to understand about the fact that there is currently only one viable explanation for the global increase in warming, and that is anthropogenic activity. It's not volcanoes or earthquakes or a change in the tilt of the axis.

I'll say one other thing. Climate doesn't change from year to year. It may take thousands, or even millions, of years to experience another ice age. When the climate is changing over a hundred years or so, and there are no catastrophic incidents, the probability it is anthropogenic goes way up.

Even if you're not a scientist, and clearly you are not, the concepts of global climate change are not that hard to understand. Do you believe CO2 absorbs heat? Do you believe the sophisticated measuring devices we have for measuring global temperature (including satellites) are accurate?

When you start a snowball down a hill it starts slowly, but by the bottom of the hill it has gained a lot of mass and speed and is orders of magnitude harder to stop. I think the snowball is already moving down the hill and picking up speed.

One last thing. This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue for me. I've mentioned that I have a post-graduate degree in Geography and I taught weather and climate. I understand the science. I spent 15 years working with atmospheric models. I've talked to the most educated people on the topic, including Nobel Prize winners. This isn't political. If there is disaster as a result of climate change, it will consume people irrespective of their politics. Nature does not discriminate.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

The earth's environment, including the atmosphere, is inherently unstable with or without man's activities.

But there are well established means to distinguish the causes of climate change through out earth's history. The study of paleoclimatology covers this. I only mentioned this a few dozen times

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoclimatology

Paleoclimatology (in British spelling, palaeoclimatology) is the study of changes in climate taken on the scale of the entire history of Earth. It uses a variety of proxy methods from the Earth and life sciences to obtain data previously preserved within things such as rocks, sediments, ice sheets, tree rings, corals, shells, and microfossils. It then uses the records to determine the past states of the Earth's various climate regions and its atmospheric system.

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...climate-change

The planet has experienced climate change before: the Earth’s average temperature has fluctuated throughout the planet’s 4.54 billion-year history. The planet has experienced long cold periods ("ice ages") and warm periods ("interglacials") on 100,000-year cycles for at least the last million years.

Previous warming episodes in the early earth were triggered by volcanism, asteroid impacts, and small increases in how much sunlight reached Earth’s surface and then amplified by large releases of carbon dioxide from the oceans as they warmed (like the fizz escaping from a warm soda).

Today’s global warming is overwhelmingly due to the increase in heat-trapping gases that humans are adding to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels. In fact, over the last five decades, natural factors (solar forcing and volcanoes) would actually have led to a slight cooling of Earth’s surface temperature.

Global warming is also different from past warming in its rate. The current increase in global average temperature appears to be occurring much faster than at any point since modern civilization and agriculture developed in the past 11,000 years or so—and probably faster than any interglacial warm periods over the last million years.

[hcap]

Life does not need changing environmental conditions to evolve.
Man has evolved over the last 4 million years

One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago. Other important human characteristics -- such as a large and complex brain, the ability to make and use tools, and the capacity for language -- developed more recently. Many advanced traits -- including complex symbolic expression, art, and elaborate cultural diversity -- emerged mainly during the the past 100,000 years.

Much of these adaptations could have occurred in relatively stable conditions. But human migration could have primed the pump for further adaptation.

Early humans first migrated out of Africa into Asia probably between 2 million and 1.8 million years ago. They entered Europe somewhat later, between 1.5 million and 1 million years. Species of modern humans populated many parts of the world much later. For instance, people first came to Australia probably within the past 60,000 years and to the Americas within the past 30,000 years or so. The beginnings of agriculture and the rise of the first civilizations occurred within the past 12,000 years.


Things are neither all black, nor all white. Details of adaptation must include various paths. It is wise not to oversimplify.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by hcap

Eh,.....

https://poststar.com/ap/washington/c...8affe416a.html

Dec 2, 2018

Climate change worse than we imagined
Global warming is faster, more extensive and just plain worse than they once thought it would be, scientists say now.

Dec 2, 2018

UN Chief Warns World Leaders: Climate Change Is ‘Most Important Issue We Face’

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/world-...-issue-we-face

KATOWICE, Poland (AP) — U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres issued a dramatic appeal to world leaders Monday to take the threat of global warming seriously and to act boldly to avert a catastrophic rise in temperatures before the end of the century.

Guterres, who spoke at the opening of the U.N. climate conference in Poland, called climate change “the most important issue we face.”

“Even as we witness devastating climate impacts causing havoc across the world, we are still not doing enough, nor moving fast enough, to prevent irreversible and catastrophic climate disruption,” Guterres told delegates from almost 200 countries who gathered in the city of Katowice.
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WHERE DID YOU DISCOVER THE TIPPING POINT WAS "DELAYED"?

[fast4522]

Here is the thing, these countrys are facing an economic meltdown without the weather, any bad weather that happens other than normal countrys are lost. Paris France is blowing up because its people do not want to pay the tax only to see moneys go to poor as dirt countrys. If the best plan the socialist can think up is tax the middle class its time for them to jump out the windows because that middle class will burn them out.

[chadk66]

Best way to end peoples desire to deal with this hoax is start taxing em