Religion II

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Sure...as soon as you explain the contradiction in my last post.

There is nothing to explain. Not the same for the contradictions of quantum entanglement.?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

There is nothing to explain. Not the same for the contradictions of quantum entanglement.?

So, why did you say it was an incoherent post? Incoherent based on what: Fuzzy Logic?

Here's another one for you to explain:

Here at F.E.U. (Fuzzy Entanglement University), we are proud to boast of three old fart tenured professors who are married widows.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

James, Joseph and Jesus were common names in Judea in the first century C.E. Somewhat like Tom, Dick and Harry today. One source says that 1 man in 26 was named Jesus in first century Judea. A similar ratio probably held for the names James and Joseph. That means one man in 26 was named James. Of those one in 26 had a brother named Jesus. Of those one in 26 had a father named Joseph. That means one man in 17576 was named James, had a brother named Jesus and a father named Joseph. The historian Tacitus estimated the population of Israel was 600,000. That works out to 17 men satisfying the condition. Lifespans were short with most people dying by age 15 so there would be 6 generations in a century and 17 x 6 = 102 men fitting the criteria. The finding of a single ossuary proves nothing.

Most people's lifespan in first century C.E. was only 15 years?

Prove it.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

The "existence of the milieu" in the NT is entirely different from the milieu in "Gone with the Wind". The latter we know is fiction, but the former never claims to be fiction.

Originally Posted by boxcar

I know exactly what it means.

Quite obviously you do not, otherwise you would not have made that statement.

Originally Posted by boxcar

But of course, since YOU don't think I do, why don't you put forward a definition?

milieu: the physical setting in which a story occurs.

You state "The latter we know is fiction", the latter being the milieu of Gone With the Wind. But both milieux are real. The milieu of Gone With the Wind is real. The Old South was real. The Civil War was real. Etc. Gone With the Wind is set within this milieu. That does not make the story real.

Likewise the milieu of the Gospels is real. Likewise, that does not make the story real.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Most people's lifespan in first century C.E. was only 15 years?

Prove it.

Google it.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You use your meager understanding of what is "true" on the human scale, and try tu understand what is "true" on the scale of the very small and very big. In your case "MEAGER" is a huge understatement. Your lack of understanding of natural laws know now and refined since the 17th century handicaps you.

And on what SCALE does your understanding operate?

a) a god
b) an intelligent alien
c) a rock
d) a lizard
e) a neanderthal
f) something else (please explain)

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Google it.

You made the claim, the onus is on you.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

You made the claim, the onus is on you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...e_Roman_Empire

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

So, why did you say it was an incoherent post? Incoherent based on what: Fuzzy Logic?

Here's another one for you to explain:

Here at F.E.U. (Fuzzy Entanglement University), we are proud to boast of three old fart tenured professors who are married widows.

You are getting worse as time goes by. Yes your last post babbling weakly another personal attack. A very stupid personal attack

You completely misunderstand the quantum level's imprecision as compared to the human and very large scale. And your incoherent remark by an unknown "reader" bitching on a philosophical website does not explain anything, certainly not quantum entanglement. Assuming you have the slightest notion of what that is, explain away the contradictions without just mouthing your typical nonsense.

Specifically, 2 particles can not act as one (sense) over an unlimited distance at the same time. Their identity is obviously in question.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...e_Roman_Empire

A few things, Sparky:

1, Wiki provides no documentation to prove its numbers

2. Roman culture was a lot different than Jewish culture in Palestine.

3. Even if the Wiki numbers are in the ball park, the very high birth rate would have offset the low life expectancy.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

You are getting worse as time goes by. Yes your last post babbling weakly another personal attack. A very stupid personal attack

You mean you can't use Fuzzy Logic here in this real world, in the macroscopic world to properly interpret my last two problems? I thought YOU were far above the human scale? Not so much, huh?

You completely misunderstand the quantum level's imprecision as compared to the human and very large scale. And your incoherent remark by an unknown "reader" bitching on a philosophical website does not explain anything, certainly not quantum entanglement. Assuming you have the slightest notion of what that is, explain away the contradictions without just mouthing your typical nonsense.

Specifically, 2 particles can not act as one (sense) over an unlimited distance at the same time. Their identity is obviously in question.

Here's what you don't understand: While imprecision may be the primary attribute in the quantum world, preciseness is the primary attribute in this macroscopic world. Therefore, you cannot compare apples with oranges. For the former realm deals with the vague, with impreciseness, with subjectivity, whereas as this latter realm deals primarily with specifics, with preciseness and with objectivity.

Example: If someone were to say, Sparky is tall and not tall, this kind of foolish statement cannot be subject to the LNC because the quality of "tallness" or "height" is subjective. Tallness or shortness would be best evaluated in the world of quantum mechanics because that world deals primarily in degrees. However, if someone were to get specific and say that Sparky is 6'2" tall and 5'8" tall standing in his bare feet, then we'd have a contradiction since he cannot be both specific heights at the same and in the same respect.

As you pretty much have admitted, just about everything in quantum world "is in question". But not so in this world. This world is loaded with absolutes! And it is in this world of human beings in macroscopic reality that we communicate with one another, and formulate our thoughts, etc. There really is a reason why in this macroscopic realm, we don't use Fuzzy Logic to to determine truth from falsehood.

The fact that you can't deal with the two problems I presented proves that we really cannot embrace and accept as true two contrary thoughts. How is anyone going to explain that "Today, the water is dry." Only in the theoretical world of impreciseness, fuzziness, ambiguity, vagueness, subjectivity might a problem like this might stand a remote chance at being tackled. But not in this realm.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

A few things, Sparky:

1, Wiki provides no documentation to prove its numbers

2. Roman culture was a lot different than Jewish culture in Palestine.

3. Even if the Wiki numbers are in the ball park, the very high birth rate would have offset the low life expectancy.

Just one thing Big Jon:

Pick whatever number you like. You can even claim that the ancient Jews lived 900 years. The final conclusion still holds: the ossuary proves nothing.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Actor

Just one thing Big Jon:

Pick whatever number you like. You can even claim that the ancient Jews lived 900 years. The final conclusion still holds: the ossuary proves nothing.

If there was proof, threads and discussions like this would not exist.

Until such time human beings have an IQ of 500 and have a shot at figuring it all out, some advanced aliens come here and give us the answers, or God reveals Himself in non debatable terms, I think the idea is to look at all evidence and testimony, use your intuition, and draw a conclusion.

In some criminal court cases there is still a very small amount of doubt, but we still convict.

In some civil cases, we just need a preponderance of evidence.

In religion, we each have different intuition skills, knowledge of physics, knowledge of philosophy and religious texts, and get to set our own standards for what we believe.

Some people will insist on scientific proof of God before they will accept any conclusion of His existence.

Some people may get there with less.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Just one thing Big Jon:

Pick whatever number you like. You can even claim that the ancient Jews lived 900 years. The final conclusion still holds: the ossuary proves nothing.

Whatever you say, Sparky. But at least the ossuary find doesn't contradict scripture, like your atheistic materialism violates the LNC.

Now, are you going to complete the "mapping" of the LNC as it applies to the existence the finite universe model, as I started to lay out for you in 5844?

Try to find your backbone for once, will ya?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar(Dimmy)

You mean you can't use Fuzzy Logic here in this real world, in the macroscopic world to properly interpret my last two problems? I thought YOU were far above the human scale? Not so much, huh?

You the one who goes on and on about knowing how god thinks.

Again the very small is imprecise or fuzzy, not the macroscopic or very large, not what you claim wrongly is the "real world.

When did I ever claim Fuzzy logic should be used on the human scale, or I should use it?

Boxcarian logic here on the human scale is what is fuzzy. Your post is meaningless. Come back when you are not so fuzzy, Dimmy