Global Warming, Make That Climate Change Yeah

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

I don't think anyone here disputes that man is putting CO2 into the atmosphere and we should make a reasonable effort to limit it, and pollutants. Where we differ is how significant our contribution is and whether we can do anything about the overall picture. IMO we should not twist ourselves into knots trying to fix something that we have very little or no control over, and it may not even need fixing in the first place.

Tom and many others are disputing it.

I posted a few times that it is becoming critical and reaching a "tipping point" when we will experience runaway climate change. Reversing it will become almost impossible.

Tipping points in the climate system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tippin...climate_system

A tipping point in the climate system is a threshold that, when exceeded, can lead to large changes in the state of the system. Potential tipping points have been identified in the physical climate system, in impacted ecosystems, and sometimes in both.[1] For instance, feedback from the global carbon cycle is a driver for the transition between glacial and interglacial periods, with orbital forcing providing the initial trigger.[2] Earth's geologic temperature record includes many more examples of geologically rapid transitions between different climate states.[3]

[hcap]

I posted this earlier. Beyond Carbon.

Moving the United States toward a 100% clean energy economy
https://www.beyondcarbon.org/?utm_me...n_BeyondCarbon

A lot can be done to stem the trend. But the problem has to be recognized firast

[incoming]

I think your opinion is reasonable and also agrees with the Oregon Petition. A petition where 99.95% agreed that there wasn't an alarming situation at hand, over 31,000 scientist signed the petition. They agreed that the science had been hijacked for a political agenda.

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[hcap]

Originally Posted by incoming

I think your opinion is reasonable and also agrees with the Oregon Petition. A petition where 99.95% agreed that there wasn't an alarming situation at hand, over 31,000 scientist signed the petition. They agreed that the science had been hijacked for a political agenda. https://youtu.be/eiPIvH49X-E

This is a bogus "project". I already explained why many times.

No it does not agree with my opinion, or the consensus,... that it is indeed an alarming situation.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by hcap

This is a bogus "project". I already explained why many times.

No it does not agree with my opinion, or the consensus,... that it is indeed an alarming situation.

I debunked the Oregon Petition in 630 and 631

[hcap]

More on the casrbon cycle and the oceans.

From MIT.....

‘Completely terrifying’: Study warns carbon-saturated oceans headed toward tipping point that could unleash mass extinction event

Carbon dioxide emissions may trigger a reflex in the carbon cycle, with devastating consequences, study finds.

The continuous accumulation of carbon dioxide in the planet’s oceans—which shows no sign of stopping due to humanity’s relentless consumption of fossil fuels—is likely to trigger a chemical reaction in Earth’s carbon cycle similar to those which happened just before mass extinction events, according to a new study.

MIT geophysics professor Daniel Rothman released new data on Monday showing that carbon levels today could be fast approaching a tipping point threshold that could trigger extreme ocean acidification similar to the kind that contributed to the Permian–Triassic mass extinction that occurred about 250 million years ago.

https://news.mit.edu/2019/carbon-thr...xtinction-0708

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

Tom and many others are disputing it.

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Tom and many others are disputing that humans are putting a significant amount of CO2 into the atmosphere.

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

More on the casrbon cycle and the oceans.

From MIT.....

‘Completely terrifying’: Study warns carbon-saturated oceans headed toward tipping point that could unleash mass extinction event

Carbon dioxide emissions may trigger a reflex in the carbon cycle, with devastating consequences, study finds.

The continuous accumulation of carbon dioxide in the planet’s oceans—which shows no sign of stopping due to humanity’s relentless consumption of fossil fuels—is likely to trigger a chemical reaction in Earth’s carbon cycle similar to those which happened just before mass extinction events, according to a new study.

MIT geophysics professor Daniel Rothman released new data on Monday showing that carbon levels today could be fast approaching a tipping point threshold that could trigger extreme ocean acidification similar to the kind that contributed to the Permian–Triassic mass extinction that occurred about 250 million years ago.

https://news.mit.edu/2019/carbon-thr...xtinction-0708

So now we are responsible for putting CO2 into the oceans? It's not possible that it's the CO2 from the planet that is constantly absorbed and reabsorbed into the oceans?

How about the venting from the Earth's crust into the oceans that dwarfs anything humans could possibly do?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

Tom and many others are disputing that humans are putting a significant amount of CO2 into the atmosphere.

You

Originally Posted by xtb

I don't think anyone here disputes that man is putting CO2 into the atmosphere and we should make a reasonable effort to limit it, and pollutants. Where we differ is how significant our contribution is and whether we can do anything about the overall picture. IMO we should not twist ourselves into knots trying to fix something that we have very little or no control over, and it may not even need fixing in the first place.

What is significant? I posted recently that qworld's mainstream scientific community is aware of possibly reaching a "tipping point", where runaway climate change could not be reversed. I also popsted a few times about Mike Bloomberg's "Beyond Carbon" a major approach to prevent reaching that tipping point

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

So now we are responsible for putting CO2 into the oceans? It's not possible that it's the CO2 from the planet that is constantly absorbed and reabsorbed into the oceans?

How about the venting from the Earth's crust into the oceans that dwarfs anything humans could possibly do?

I have already answered. Incoming brought up undersea volcanos Humans ARE responsible for 10-12 times as much carbon than ALL natural sources. Why and what do you think the 97% scientific consensus is about?

Just that

[xtb]

Originally Posted by hcap

You What is significant? I posted recently that qworld's mainstream scientific community is aware of possibly reaching a "tipping point", where runaway climate change could not be reversed. I also popsted a few times about Mike Bloomberg's "Beyond Carbon" a major approach to prevent reaching that tipping point

Of course "me", I thought it was obvious.

Theories and blogs don't impress me much.

[Tom]

I wonder if hcap shut his mouth for a couple of days, the hot air would go away?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by Tom

I wonder if hcap shut his mouth for a couple of days, the hot air would go away?

Maybe if I only shut my eyes, you would go away. And take your two Bens with you.?

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by Tom

I wonder if hcap shut his mouth for a couple of days, the hot air would go away?

How would he pass gas?

[hcap]

Originally Posted by xtb

Of course "me", I thought it was obvious.

Theories and blogs don't impress me much.

Main sources of carbon dioxide emissions
https://www.che-project.eu/news/main...xide-emissions

There are both natural and human sources of carbon dioxide emissions. Natural sources include decomposition, ocean release and respiration. Human sources come from activities like cement production, deforestation as well as the burning of fossil fuels like coal, oil and natural gas.

Due to human activities, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has been rising extensively since the Industrial Revolution and has now reached dangerous levels not seen in the last 3 million years.1 2 3 Human sources of carbon dioxide emissions are much smaller than natural emissions but they have upset the natural balance that existed for many thousands of years before the influence of humans.

This is because natural sinks remove around the same quantity of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere than are produced by natural sources.4 This had kept carbon dioxide levels balanced and in a safe range. But human sources of emissions have upset the natural balance by adding extra carbon dioxide to the atmosphere without removing any