Arrogate

[EasyGoer89]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

The classic will be bet as a two horse race. Crome should be even money to 3/2, Arrogate 2-1 to 3-1 and Frosted should be third choice somewhere 8-1 range probably higher.

The issue is given the two horses run the exact same style Victor and Mike could ride it like a match race and set it up for someone to come get them late.

I know the pools will be gigantic, but isnt Chrome a 1-5 shot? He's appearing to be an unbeatable superhorse, can you really get '1-1' on a horse like this?

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by EasyGoer89

I know the pools will be gigantic, but isnt Chrome a 1-5 shot? He's appearing to be an unbeatable superhorse, can you really get '1-1' on a horse like this?

Yes you do. I do not see him lower than 4-5 while a 6-5 is possible.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by SuperPickle

You're making a big assumption I disagree with. That Arrogate goes to the lead and Crome stalks. Every time Victor rode Crome or AP where's he thought either horse was the best horse in the race or he only had one to beat he put the horse on the lead. Combine that with Arrogate drawing outside of him. Combine that with Baffert working Arrogate off a horse this morning I think Mike is more than comfortable sitting off Crome. And I think Victor isn't willing to concede the lead to the only horse he thinks can beat him on the square.

Go back and look at the 2015 SA Handicap. Look at what Make Smith does to Crome. It's one of the best rides of his career. He basically uses Shared Belief to rattle Crome every time Victor relaxes him. Mike rode both horses that day. He dictated terms.

I think he uses Arrogate the same way. He basically prevents Crome from settling on the lead.

I think he has a blueprint to beat Crome. Am I sure Crome will lose. No. But off this morning's work I'm confident Arrogate can go six furlongs in 1:09 and change and test Crome and perhaps at least set it up for another horse.

What some of the Cromie's aren't recognizing is you have a Grade 1 caliber horse with the exact running style that gives Crome fits and he's ridden by perhaps the biggest money rider on earth who's already beaten Crome with a horse with a similar running style.

The idea of taking Arrogate lightly is wrong. He can at least spoil Crome's day.

I agree with all of this. You've also got several others that may push the pace as well.

Mark my words, Hoppertunity is not in the race just to take up a spot in the gate, Baffert sees Chrome as very hard to beat. And Bobby boy is sitting here with Arrogate who can clearly go nose to nose with Chrome and either beat him or destroy both their chances. And he also has Hoppertunity who is not good enough to win this race without some help. Win-Win for Bobby boy.

Mike Smith is going to put Espinoza in a psych ward Saturday.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by Tom

But nothing close to this level of older horses.
He beat a mediocre filed in the Travers. He will face far better this time.

You think this field isn't mediocre?

[cj]

Originally Posted by depalma113

You think this field isn't mediocre?

I don't know many people that would call California Chrome mediocre. Frosted is up and down but certainly not mediocre either.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by depalma113

You think this field isn't mediocre?

No, this field in definitely not mediocre. It actually attracts the top horses in training and one of the best horses of the century.

[classhandicapper]

"Mediocre" has a negative connotation. If we said it was average for a BC Classic give or take, that seems reasonable. BC Classics are almost always very strong Grade 1 races, but some are stronger than others.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

"Mediocre" has a negative connotation. If we said it was average for a BC Classic give or take, that seems reasonable.

Which BCC field of the past you would consider above average for example?

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

Which BCC field of the past you would consider above average for example?

Ghostzapper's BC Classic was killer strong (off the top of my head).

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Ghostzapper's BC Classic was killer strong (off the top of my head).

Yes I agree. I also believe that this year's BCC is also very strong as well.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

No, this field in definitely not mediocre. It actually attracts the top horses in training and one of the best horses of the century.

Really? The top horses in training? Win the Space? War Story?

This is two good mile and a quarter horses, one top miler and a bunch of also rans.

[overthehill]

I dunno the Travers win was one of the most impressive races I ve seen by a 3 year old. The others were probably General Assembly's Travers and Risen Star's Belmont. California Chrome has run several really good races this year and Frosted has run a couple. I'd say it shapes up to be a pretty good race.
I think I wold make Chrome 4/5 and Arrogate 8/5.everyone else over 10-1..The amazing thing about Arrogate was that the outstanding race came out of nowhere. I like the notion of trying a longshot in this race.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by depalma113

Really? The top horses in training? Win the Space? War Story?

This is two good mile and a quarter horses, one top miler and a bunch of also rans.

Can you name any other top horses in training that you would like to see in this race?

[bobphilo]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Ghostzapper's BC Classic was killer strong (off the top of my head).

Yes, that was a good one. Yet the usual detractors claimed it was a soft win because Roses in May did not challenge him for the early lead. Some people are never happy.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

Can you name any other top horses in training that you would like to see in this race?

Beholder, Dortmund, Gun Runner, American Freedom, Connect