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Not required for Sec of State. But in 2016 you might want to ask her. 
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12-01-2010, 03:46 PM
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I am going to ignore your advice about arguing with an idiot and argue with you. If the police come to my door and want to search my house, I will tell them no. That is my right. That is in the Constitution. The fourth amendment in case you have forgotten, and it does not matter if I am innocent or guilty. It may be more important for me to exercise my rights when I am innocent for if I don't, I may not have them to exercise when I am guilty.
As for the million dollars, there is absolutely no proof the Obama has spent anywhere remotely close to a million dollars on this issue. I googled this and read ten or so stories which had this accusation. (There were many more, but I got bored.) None of them, not a one, provided any documentation. They just made the statement out of whole cloth. Sometimes they referenced one another.
I also found a summary of the lawsuits on wikipedia. None of them went to trial. Most were dismissed because the plaintiffs had no standing. Most of them were summarily dismissed and characterized as frivolous by the presiding judge. In at least one case the plaintiffs' attorney was reprimanded for bringing the suit to court. In at least one case the presiding judge considered making the plaintiffs pay the defendants court costs.
The question is always asked, "Why doesn't Obama just release his long form birth certificate and end all the drama?" The answer is simple and complex. Simple in that he does not have to. The short form or certificate of live birth is accepted almost universally as a true record of birth and as a proof that a long form exists. He also does not have to because, by law, the long form is accesible only to the person, his parents and a few other well defined people.
The more complex reason Obama does not have to and should not release the original long form version of his birth certificate is that to do so would set a very bad precedent. Do you want anyone and everyone to have access to your birth certificate. If they can force the President of the United States to release his, then what difficulty would they have in obtaining access to yours.
Finally, do you think it would make a difference if he did release it. The cry would just change from "Obama won't release his birth certificate" to "Obama released a forgery." Or they would go on to another equally fraudulent claim. The purpose of all this is not justice, it is harassment.
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If that's the case then why even have the law that US presidents must be natural born citizens of 35 years of age? Long form birth certificates should be made public BEFORE a presidential run. Since that wasn't done and there is plenty of doubt as to where this guy was born, he should release it now. It's like playing poker, saying I have a straight flush and raking in the pot without showing my hand.
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12-01-2010, 03:52 PM
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I just want to know why he got foreign student aid at Occidental.
Some transcripts and published papers would be good, too. How do you get to be editor of a publication with publishing anything? Is that what affirmative action is all about?
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12-01-2010, 03:59 PM
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I was questioning " earthling."
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12-08-2010, 10:42 PM
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After the Collapse of Obama this week, DEMOCRATS are asking to see his Birth Certificate!
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12-09-2010, 01:40 AM
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This settles it
Once and for all:
Luke Scott: Orioles Player Says Barack Obama Dodges Questions
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Nathaniel Uy
Luke Scott, player for the Baltimore Orioles has his thoughts on president Barack Obama today in an interview with Yahoo! Sports' David Brown and most of his comments weren't very positive.
Scott candidly opined on whether or not he believed Obama was born in the United States.
"He was not born here," Scott told David Brown. "That's my belief. I was born here. If someone accuses me of not being born here, I can go — within 10 minutes — to my filing cabinet and I can pick up my real birth certificate and I can go, "See? Look! Here it is. Here it is." The man has dodged everything. He dodges questions, he doesn't answer anything. And why? Because he's hiding something.
more here:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/5...dges-questions
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12-09-2010, 06:36 AM
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After the Collapse of Obama this week, DEMOCRATS are asking to see his Birth Certificate!
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Nice post Tom, we all see things differently.
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12-09-2010, 08:44 AM
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Have we seen Hillary's BC yet?
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Nor Sarah Palin's. With apologies to our fine northern posters, I have always thought she looked Canadian. 
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12-09-2010, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
I am going to ignore your advice about arguing with an idiot and argue with you. If the police come to my door and want to search my house, I will tell them no. That is my right. That is in the Constitution. The fourth amendment in case you have forgotten, and it does not matter if I am innocent or guilty. It may be more important for me to exercise my rights when I am innocent for if I don't, I may not have them to exercise when I am guilty.
As for the million dollars, there is absolutely no proof the Obama has spent anywhere remotely close to a million dollars on this issue. I googled this and read ten or so stories which had this accusation. (There were many more, but I got bored.) None of them, not a one, provided any documentation. They just made the statement out of whole cloth. Sometimes they referenced one another.
I also found a summary of the lawsuits on wikipedia. None of them went to trial. Most were dismissed because the plaintiffs had no standing. Most of them were summarily dismissed and characterized as frivolous by the presiding judge. In at least one case the plaintiffs' attorney was reprimanded for bringing the suit to court. In at least one case the presiding judge considered making the plaintiffs pay the defendants court costs.
The question is always asked, "Why doesn't Obama just release his long form birth certificate and end all the drama?" The answer is simple and complex. Simple in that he does not have to. The short form or certificate of live birth is accepted almost universally as a true record of birth and as a proof that a long form exists. He also does not have to because, by law, the long form is accesible only to the person, his parents and a few other well defined people.
The more complex reason Obama does not have to and should not release the original long form version of his birth certificate is that to do so would set a very bad precedent. Do you want anyone and everyone to have access to your birth certificate. If they can force the President of the United States to release his, then what difficulty would they have in obtaining access to yours.
Finally, do you think it would make a difference if he did release it. The cry would just change from "Obama won't release his birth certificate" to "Obama released a forgery." Or they would go on to another equally fraudulent claim. The purpose of all this is not justice, it is harassment.
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I am sure you made the same claims of citizen "rights" when the bush bashing was going on concerning the patriot act and wire taps...right???
Or is it a case of you are concerned with "rights" when it suits ya?? 
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12-09-2010, 09:37 AM
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Nor Sarah Palin's. With apologies to our fine northern posters, I have always thought she looked Canadian. |
eh?
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12-09-2010, 01:56 PM
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Nor Sarah Palin's. With apologies to our fine northern posters, I have always thought she looked Canadian. |
were willing to adopt her 
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12-25-2010, 07:06 AM
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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,3744847.story
For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama 'birthers' is a top priority
Democrat Neil Abercrombie, who knew Obama's parents, is determined to torpedo the conspiracy theory. Underlying his effort may be a desire to dispel the view that Hawaiians aren't Americans in the same way as mainlanders.
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I guess he is in on the conspiracy.
He is a dem isn't he?
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12-25-2010, 09:01 AM
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Continued filth on Christmas day, shame on you. It is not about place of birth but ideology stupid.
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12-25-2010, 11:31 AM
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Continued filth on Christmas day, shame on you. It is not about place of birth but ideology stupid.
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Hey filth4522,
If it wasn't Christmas, I might have a few choice words for you. Merry Xmas 
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12-25-2010, 01:09 PM
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For Hawaii governor, discrediting anti-Obama 'birthers' is a top priority
Democrat Neil Abercrombie, who knew Obama's parents, is determined to torpedo the conspiracy theory. Underlying his effort may be a desire to dispel the view that Hawaiians aren't Americans in the same way as mainlanders.
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I guess he is in on the conspiracy.
He is a dem isn't he?
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Well, no HUGE feat to prove his citizenship - produce the BC for ALL to see! Duh.
Anyway, I got you something you could use this Holiday season......
Merry Christmas!
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