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04-01-2024, 10:47 AM
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"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "
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Here are some things to think about.
1. Scientists that disagree with the consensus have a much harder time getting published or just stay quiet to avoid personal and professional attacks that will ruin their careers. They also don't want grant money withheld because of their politically incorrect views. That is exactly what happened during Covid, but the dissenters turned out to be right about more of the controversial things than the consensus.
2. No one knows what the optimal amount of carbon in the atmosphere is or what the optimal temperature for humans and other species is. Humans have already survived and flourished in both mini ice ages and much warmer than average climates in various parts of the world. As climate changes or their preferences change, they adapt or move.
3. There are natural ways of removing carbon from the atmosphere like regenerative agriculture, protecting forests, planting trees and even new technologies being looked at.
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04-01-2024, 11:41 AM
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#662
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
Pretty embarassing for climate morons like Al Gore who used a floating Polar Bear to promote his doom and gloom.
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You do not get embarrassed when you know you are lying and just gaslighting for money and power. You just repeat the lie over and over and rejoice when you hear others repeat your lies .... (like give you a Nobel Peace Prize or Academy Award)
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04-01-2024, 11:43 AM
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#663
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Location: Beaverdam Virginia
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Originally Posted by classhandicapper
Here are some things to think about.
1. Scientists that disagree with the consensus have a much harder time getting published or just stay quiet to avoid personal and professional attacks that will ruin their careers. They also don't want grant money withheld because of their politically incorrect views. That is exactly what happened during Covid, but the dissenters turned out to be right about more of the controversial things than the consensus.
2. No one knows what the optimal amount of carbon in the atmosphere is or what the optimal temperature for humans and other species is. Humans have already survived and flourished in both mini ice ages and much warmer than average climates in various parts of the world. As climate changes or their preferences change, they adapt or move.
3. There are natural ways of removing carbon from the atmosphere like regenerative agriculture, protecting forests, planting trees and even new technologies being looked at.
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A climate scientist coming out and saying they did not believe in man made climate change would be akin to a priest coming out as an atheist.
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04-02-2024, 02:50 AM
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Just another Facist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Now in Houston
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These elite assholes campaigning to rid us of our gas stoves and banning LNG exports are such hypocrites
The recent UN climate event had a new session added to the schedule
https://www.cop28.com/en/schedule/re...today-tomorrow
Can you believe this shit!
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04-02-2024, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
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That session follows the one on "Responsible Private Jetting".
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04-02-2024, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
That session follows the one on "Responsible Private Jetting".
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Boats compared to planes burn more fuel. The yacht that Leonardo DiCaprio a leading climate alarmist hypocrite burns twice the fuel per mile than a 767
and I doubt he carries twice as many passengers at a time. A small 4 passenger plane like a Cessna 172 will burn less fuel per mile than a typical ski boat.
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04-02-2024, 02:04 PM
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I can't wait until electric planes start rolling out.
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04-02-2024, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by xtb
I can't wait until electric planes start rolling out.
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https://www.diamondaircraft.com/en/s...tric-aircraft/
They're here! Aweome! Fight man made climate change. No price listed. The plane has a recommended flight range of 45 minutes without using the reserves. Impressive payload of 397 pounds, maximum battery life 1.2 hours,
range of 135 miles and a whooping 167 h.p. , doing the math converting kilometers and KWH.
Looks like they originated in Austria, no ideas if their government subsidizes green products like ours does.
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04-02-2024, 02:44 PM
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Finite environment mixed with constant increase in human foot print (pollution, over fishing stocks, farming failures world wide, population unchecked with the attendant political instability that goes along with it), LOSS of genetic diversity world wide upsetting many life cycles.
Lessening of many of he major ocean cycles.
Air quality getting worse worldwide.
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04-02-2024, 02:57 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Finite environment mixed with constant increase in human foot print (pollution, over fishing stocks, farming failures world wide, population unchecked with the attendant political instability that goes along with it), LOSS of genetic diversity world wide upsetting many life cycles.
Lessening of many of he major ocean cycles.
Air quality getting worse worldwide.
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Oh my!
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04-02-2024, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Finite environment mixed with constant increase in human foot print (pollution, over fishing stocks, farming failures world wide, population unchecked with the attendant political instability that goes along with it), LOSS of genetic diversity world wide upsetting many life cycles.
Lessening of many of he major ocean cycles.
Air quality getting worse worldwide.
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Pollution is much better (unless you live in China) than it was 50 years ago. Farming is failing in many countries today because morons are banning fertilizer. Political instability? Look in the mirror.
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04-02-2024, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 46zilzal
Finite environment mixed with constant increase in human foot print (pollution, over fishing stocks, farming failures world wide, population unchecked with the attendant political instability that goes along with it), LOSS of genetic diversity world wide upsetting many life cycles.
Lessening of many of he major ocean cycles.
Air quality getting worse worldwide.
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Thank goodness the democrat party is pushing death. And some progressives like Trudeau euthanasia over treatment.
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04-02-2024, 03:51 PM
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velocitician
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Originally Posted by xtb
Pollution is much better (unless you live in China) than it was 50 years ago. Farming is failing in many countries today because morons are banning fertilizer. Political instability? Look in the mirror.
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My master's degree was in Toxicology.....You don't know what you are talking about that pollution is better. Lead was my area of study and it is now WORSE, even after it was removed from paint and as a anti-knock ingredient in gasoline.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...han-we-thought
quote: According to a new study in the journal Lancet Planetary Health, an estimated 5.455 million adults worldwide died in 2019 from cardiovascular disease (CVD) attributable to lead exposure — a toll more than six times higher than a previous estimate. The study goes on to provide what its authors say are the first monetary estimates of the total global cost of these lead-attributable deaths, along with the magnitude and cost of IQ loss in children under 5 years old.
"Many people believe that with the phase-out of leaded gasoline, the problem was solved," says co-author Ernesto Sánchez-Triana, the global lead for pollution management and circular economy at the World Bank (which funded the study, along with the Korea Green Growth Trust Fund). " What we have shown is that no, the problem is far away from solved."
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04-02-2024, 04:06 PM
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#674
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Originally Posted by xtb
Pollution is much better (unless you live in China) than it was 50 years ago. Farming is failing in many countries today because morons are banning fertilizer. Political instability? Look in the mirror.
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If you watch any of the TV shows of that era and before or slightly after, that have a lot of outside shots in large inland USA cities, your statement is blatantly obviously correct. That 70's smog in cities like LA where sometimes it was as bad as a light fog isn't there any more. Of course Democrats seem to lack the power of observation, if they don't notice Joe Biden has dementia
how are they going to notice the smog in outside shots in shows like Adam-12, Emergency, and Chips?
As for fertilizer bans, my favorite complaint from greenies is the cost of organically grown produce. The dumbasses claim they are getting ripped off because they support farming without pesticides. They seem to be unaware of the fact that in many areas crop loss due to pests can be very high.
When I was in Riverside Ca and had a garden my only concern was keeping damn birds from sampling every tomato. Here in Central Va, I have had whole small crops destroyed, there are worms here that eat Habanero peppers.
I was looking forward to picking some to make some chili that make you sweat and set your insides on fire. Every single one on 3 large bushes were worm infested. I have an Asian Pear tree that the deer will get to half of them, I don't mind that as I can't eat a good year's yield. They are welcome to the low hanging fruit.
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04-02-2024, 04:07 PM
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velocitician
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Pb is a direct neurotoxin in children before the blood-brain barrier develops.
In adults it is simply sequestered in the bones (Calcium hydro apatite). However it is NOT stable there: any changes in blood pH (either up or down) will make it soluble and it will all stream out at once causing stippling of the red blood cells, and neurotoxicity (demonstrated by "wrist drop") . Classic painters suffered this fate for years....Chelating agents like Ethylene diamine tetra acetic acid trap the Pb as a medical treatment for this
When you have a FINITE environment, MOST of these systemic toxins bio-concentrate as well.
The deposition of Pb in the long bones, shows up on x-ray at the epiphyseal growth plates
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