School shooting in Parkland Florida

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by MONEY

In Texas we have open carry, in Florida you have this

"Once again Florida Carry, Inc. has demonstrated a lack of concern for Concealed Weapons and Firearms License holders. License holders continue to be abused by law enforcement, prosecutors and the courts. When firearms, that are being lawfully carried concealed, accidentally become exposed to the sight of another person, license holders are being arrested for violating the open carry ban."

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...florida-carry/

I still hold hope out for Swampland, although I see nothing positive happening with the RINO we currently have for a governor.

[lamboguy]

Boxcar just made the point. when you walk into a church in Texas you know there are no guns, when you go to a school in Vermont you know there are people with plenty of arms there to greet you if you want to hurt their kids. it has nothing to do with any type of gun laws.

there are plenty of legitimate people that don't have gun licenses that have guns and are prepared. when you get to that stage laws mean less than nothing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

Boxcar just made the point. when you walk into a church in Texas you know there are no guns, when you go to a school in Vermont you know there are people with plenty of arms there to greet you if you want to hurt their kids. it has nothing to do with any type of gun laws.

there are plenty of legitimate people that don't have gun licenses that have guns and are prepared. when you get to that stage laws mean less than nothing.

Why would anyone think, walking into a CHURCH in TEXAS, there wouldn't be someone wearing a gun on their person?

WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT?

I would think there would be a GOOD chance of someone in that church having a gun.

In 2015 TEXAS allowed people to OPEN CARRY their firearms...they are rather lax with their restrictions on guns...

I don't know why anyone would think there is no chance anyone in that church in Texas was armed.

[JustRalph]

In Texas....just assume there is a gun everywhere you go. You won’t be wrong often......

[woodtoo]

Broward Coward County. Three more Broward sheriffs refused to enter the school and engage the shooter even after neighboring Coral Springs police arrived and entered.SMH

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Broward Coward County. Three more Broward sheriffs refused to enter the school and engage the shooter even after neighboring Coral Springs police arrived and entered.SMH

To paraphrase Peggy Noonan, Americans buy guns to protect themselves, because they cannot depend on the authorities to protect them.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Why would anyone think, walking into a CHURCH in TEXAS, there wouldn't be someone wearing a gun on their person?

WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK THAT?

I would think there would be a GOOD chance of someone in that church having a gun.

In 2015 TEXAS allowed people to OPEN CARRY their firearms...they are rather lax with their restrictions on guns...

I don't know why anyone would think there is no chance anyone in that church in Texas was armed.

You are aware that many Christians (assuming this was a Christian church) believe in pacifism, don't you? You know...those would be the Christians (and even many non-Christians) who would take, as one example, a text like Mat 5:39 literally.

Again, does anyone know what the shooter knew about his particular church or what his motive was for shooting all those people?

[mrhorseplayer]

[QUOTE=boxcar;2281545]You are aware that many Christians (assuming this was a Christian church) believe in pacifism, don't you? You know...those would be the Christians (and even many non-Christians) who would take, as one example, a text like Mat 5:39 literally.

Again, does anyone know what the shooter knew about his particular church or what his motive was for shooting all those people?[/QUOTE]


No however the neighbor knew he had to take the shooter out and did.

[fast4522]

There are always those who make things harder than things have to be. I do not see how hard it would be to to have a room with several having feeds from cameras across a school campus. I have no idea if this school did or did not or why they paid someone $75K to do nothing. This morning I heard this fellow was all to happy to have pictures of himself and Bernie Sanders and also Hillary Clinton. Why on Gods green earth would we want another union hack to make people proud like this fool did.

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Broward Coward County. Three more Broward sheriffs refused to enter the school and engage the shooter even after neighboring Coral Springs police arrived and entered.SMH

Becuase they don't have to. Supreme Court declared that the Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm. DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Broward Coward County. Three more Broward sheriffs refused to enter the school and engage the shooter even after neighboring Coral Springs police arrived and entered.SMH

And yet....sheriffs and their deputies all over this nation have zero problem entering, patrolling and enforcing the law in any number of different kinds of public venues, e.g. sporting events, parades, political rallies, protests, demonstrations, airports, bus terminals, etc., etc., etc. None of these public venues are "gun-free" zones off limits to police. So...the question begging to be asked is: Why did the police hesitate or refuse to enter a public school when a crime is in progress or they are justified in believing that one could take place?

And the second question begging to be asked is: Since police are in virtually all public venues, why not put them in public schools? We have special police patrolling the NYC Transit Authority, so why not have a public school police force?

Another question to be asked: Is why was the cop at Parkland not brought up on charges instead of being allowed to ever-so-quietly and surreptitiously-like allowed to retire and collect his pensions after he chose to not enter the school, even though he knew a crime was in progress? How is it that this guy escapes virtually unscathed by everyone after his cowardly action?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by boxcar

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Another question to be asked: Is why was the cop at Parkland not brought up on charges instead of being allowed to ever-so-quietly and surreptitiously-like allowed to retire and collect his pensions after he chose to not enter the school, even though he knew a crime was in progress? How is it that this guy escapes virtually unscathed by everyone after his cowardly action?

See above post #430. The officer had no duty to protect the unarmed students.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Becuase they don't have to. Supreme Court declared that the Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm. DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services

If this is indeed true, then this decision strongly supports the argument for the need for private citizens to protect themselves. If state and local governments abdicate their sworn duty "to protect and to serve", then what other recourse if left to law-abiding citizens?

[Show Me the Wire]

Originally Posted by boxcar

If this is indeed true, then this decision strongly supports the argument for the need for private citizens to protect themselves. If state and local governments abdicate their sworn duty "to protect and to serve", then what other recourse if left to law-abiding citizens?

Of course it is true. It is the well settled law of the land.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Becuase they don't have to. Supreme Court declared that the Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens from criminal harm. DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services

Why do the state and local government officers carry guns then? Strictly for their OWN protection? Don't the police department vehicles have a "We Protect and Serve" sticker on them?