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08-12-2016, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
Where did I say I didn't support students? You just keep making stuff up.
I said I didn't want the feds to support students with tax money. The less the feds are involved in education, the better. People on both sides of the aisle complain that our schools are getting worse while ignoring the fact that at the same time the federal government is playing a bigger and bigger role.
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No, the less for profits are involved in education, the better. I'm not talking about private institutions, like Stanford or Harvard, or religious institutions like Notre Dame. I'm talking about those schools who exist for the purpose of making money.
Institutions like Trump University are the problem here.
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08-12-2016, 08:38 PM
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#347
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Originally Posted by Clocker
How dare you to make assumptions about other people you don't know.
FYI, I went to college long before the feds took over the student loan business. So whether or not I had student loans from private sources is not relevant, not that you ever let relevance temper your trolls.
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If you had defaulted on your loan, it would have cost that private source nothing. The Federal Government guaranteed those loans. They finally figured out as long as they were accepting the risk, they might as well run the program.
Of course the banks are upset at losing that no risk cash cow.
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08-12-2016, 08:48 PM
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#348
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Originally Posted by Clocker
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What I would like to know is how that $21.8 Billion compares to the money the Feds had to pay out to the banks under the old system. I do know that it is less than 3% of the education departments total direct loans.
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08-12-2016, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Either way you lose this argument for not supporting students. The problem today is with the prepay plans. If colleges want more revenue they can't get it from those who had enough money that could prepay. They rise tuition on those who didn't have the money to prepay.
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That's bullshit. I've supported other people's kids going to school my whole adult life, and it adds up to a pretty penny. I don't even like what I pay for their lower education, and you talk as if someone is morally bankrupt if they don't think they should have to pay for a bunch of people's higher education. Bullshit. Theyre adults. They can pay for it themselves.
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08-12-2016, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
That's bullshit. I've supported other people's kids going to school my whole adult life, and it adds up to a pretty penny. I don't even like what I pay for their lower education, and you talk as if someone is morally bankrupt if they don't think they should have to pay for a bunch of people's higher education. Bullshit. Theyre adults. They can pay for it themselves.
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I didn't realize Dr. Fager wore blinkers.
This version can't see his ass from his elbow. 
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08-12-2016, 10:35 PM
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If you had defaulted on your loan, it would have cost that private source nothing. The Federal Government guaranteed those loans.
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Duh.
With money from us.
you guys have trouble understanding a fact of life - NOTHING is free.
It ALWAYS costs someone.
Just as long it is not you, you are happy.
Leech.
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08-12-2016, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
If you had defaulted on your loan, it would have cost that private source nothing.
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Where did I say I had a loan? Another mind-reader on a par with Al. And another one dodging the issue of the government meddling in education.
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08-13-2016, 12:34 AM
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Just another Facist
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Originally Posted by Tom
Duh.
With money from us.
you guys have trouble understanding a fact of life - NOTHING is free.
It ALWAYS costs someone.
Just as long it is not you, you are happy.
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Once again.....they can never understand this. Government doesn't earn money. THEY STEAL IT FROM TAX PAYERS,
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08-13-2016, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
I didn't realize Dr. Fager wore blinkers.
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Stupid comment. Why should I have to pay for other people's choices? Don't freaking have kids if you can't afford them.
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08-13-2016, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Fager Fan
Stupid comment. Why should I have to pay for other people's choices? Don't freaking have kids if you can't afford them.
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Developing young minds becomes a national resource good for all of us.
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08-13-2016, 09:15 AM
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#356
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Originally Posted by mostpost
What I would like to know is how that $21.8 Billion compares to the money the Feds had to pay out to the banks under the old system. I do know that it is less than 3% of the education departments total direct loans.
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So the feds took a program they had no business running to begin with and made it bigger and of course worse. What a surprise.
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08-13-2016, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Developing young minds becomes a national resource good for all of us.
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There is no evidence that is happening, certainly not as a result of anything the federal government is doing. The feds are turning the schools into bureaucracies that teach political correctness and do their best to prevent the development of critical thinking, enforcing nonsense like safe spaces and Black Lives Matter and transgendered sports teams.
And the 'graduates' whine about their huge student loan burden and their inability to find jobs with their worthless degrees while they work at Starbucks. Those people are a national resource? As with most areas of government, the closer to the local level decisions are made, the better.
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08-13-2016, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by mostpost
No, the less for profits are involved in education, the better. I'm not talking about private institutions, like Stanford or Harvard, or religious institutions like Notre Dame. I'm talking about those schools who exist for the purpose of making money.
Institutions like Trump University are the problem here.
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But schools like Laureate University aren't?
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Bill Clinton earned another $1.6 million from for-profit education companies in 2015, according to the Clinton’s newly-released 2015 tax return. The figure means he was paid more than $23 million by such schools from 2010 through 2015.
According to the newly-released return, Clinton raked in $1.1 million from Laureate University for serving as the school’s honorary chancellor, a role he resigned from in April 2015 when wife Hillary Clinton launched her presidential run. That adds to a staggering $16.5 million he received from 2010-2014 in the same role.
On top of the Laureate money, Clinton also received $560,000 from Dubai-based GEMS Education, which operates dozens of K-12 schools around the world. That adds to $5.6 million Clinton received prior to 2015. Combined, then, Clinton has amassed more than $23 million just from for-profit schools in the past six years.
Overall, Clinton’s $1.6 million take from the two schools in 2015 represents over a quarter of his $6 million personal income that year.
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08-13-2016, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Capper Al
Developing young minds becomes a national resource good for all of us.
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They can develop their minds on their or their parents' own dime.
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08-13-2016, 09:53 AM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Developing young minds becomes a national resource good for all of us.
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Unless they go into Liberal Arts or Political Science, then they become a burden.
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