Bring Dutrow Back

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Set up a dirty trainer to fall...why not set up a clean trainer to fall next?

Good to know a bunch of you are OK with that...maybe the next trainer they set up will be a hay and oats guy who somebody with some power doesn't like very much...or a rival trainer with some powerful friends wants to see put out for a while...

Hopefully the people in charge of such things don't take these accusations lightly and will reopen the case.

I don't believe for one minute Dutrow was set up, but if there is actual evidence of that, he should get a hearing on it and if it can be proven he should have his record expunged.

[PaceAdvantage]

A former NYS Steward wrote to the gaming commission saying he was told by a NYRA Steward that Dutrow was set up.

Is that evidence? Given that it's not a criminal proceeding, I would gather it would be evidence, even though it would be hearsay evidence and thus inadmissible in a criminal proceeding (unless an exemption is given) .

But this wasn't a criminal proceeding.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

A former NYS Steward wrote to the gaming commission saying he was told by a NYRA Steward that Dutrow was set up.

Is that evidence? Given that it's not a criminal proceeding, I would gather it would be evidence, even though it would be hearsay evidence and thus inadmissible in a criminal proceeding (unless an exemption is given) .

But this wasn't a criminal proceeding.

Dutrow should get a lawyer, if he wants his license back, bring a grievance before the state racing board, and seek to subpoena any records that support the claim. Or hire a P.I.

The former steward's testimony is, as you note, hearsay, and I think it's pretty unreliable, uncorroborated hearsay. But if he can come up with an actual case that this happened, more power to him.

[cj]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Set up a dirty trainer to fall...why not set up a clean trainer to fall next?

Good to know a bunch of you are OK with that...maybe the next trainer they set up will be a hay and oats guy who somebody with some power doesn't like very much...or a rival trainer with some powerful friends wants to see put out for a while...

Hopefully the people in charge of such things don't take these accusations lightly and will reopen the case.

I'm not ok with that, I just don't believe it.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by cj

I'm not ok with that, I just don't believe it.

Welp, given that Lewandowski was a former NYS Steward and he went through the trouble of writing a letter to the NYSGC, I think it at least deserves to be looked into officially...

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

A former NYS Steward wrote to the gaming commission saying he was told by a NYRA Steward that Dutrow was set up.

Is that evidence? Given that it's not a criminal proceeding, I would gather it would be evidence, even though it would be hearsay evidence and thus inadmissible in a criminal proceeding (unless an exemption is given) .

But this wasn't a criminal proceeding.

It’s 100% hearsay. Dutrow is gonna to need more than that.

Comn PA. Depending on hearsay evidence to over ride the ban.

Won’t happen.

Allan

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

It’s 100% hearsay. Dutrow is gonna to need more than that.

Comn PA. Depending on hearsay evidence to over ride the ban.

Won’t happen.

Allan

Not depending on anything. Just think the allegations are worth investigating, if only to make sure it doesn't happen to a hay & oats guy (are there any of those left anyway?) in the future.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Set up a dirty trainer to fall...why not set up a clean trainer to fall next?

Good to know a bunch of you are OK with that...maybe the next trainer they set up will be a hay and oats guy who somebody with some power doesn't like very much...or a rival trainer with some powerful friends wants to see put out for a while...

Hopefully the people in charge of such things don't take these accusations lightly and will reopen the case.

First off,no one has proved he was set up.
Secondly, prove he was, THEN we can talk about rectifying it
Until then, sucks to be him.
And why is he not having a lawyer handle it?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Tom

First off,no one has proved he was set up.
Secondly, prove he was, THEN we can talk about rectifying it
Until then, sucks to be him.

Question: What would be the motivation to fabricate this accusation so many years after the fact?

I mean, he's served most of his time already. So what purpose would it serve?

I guess you could argue it's being done to give him a better chance of being reinstated after his 10 years are up?

Also, what's the deal with that? After his 10 years, can he apply for a license and it will be granted?

Pretty sure his sentence is up in a year or two.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Question: What would be the motivation to fabricate this accusation so many years after the fact?

I mean, he's served most of his time already. So what purpose would it serve?

I guess you could argue it's being done to give him a better chance of being reinstated after his 10 years are up?

Also, what's the deal with that? After his 10 years, can he apply for a license and it will be granted?

Pretty sure his sentence is up in a year or two.

What purpose would it serve - what has done to deserve it?
In prison, you earn early release by good behavior.

Bottom line, how does shortening his sentence benefit the game?
I can think of no way in hell how it does.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Tom

What purpose would it serve - what has done to deserve it?
In prison, you earn early release by good behavior.

Bottom line, how does shortening his sentence benefit the game?
I can think of no way in hell how it does.

Not really what I asked, but ok.

[Tom]

Question: What would be the motivation to fabricate this accusation so many years after the fact?

I don't know.
Nor care. Why should I?
Lots of people get wronged in this world.
What puts this guy on top of the list?

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Tom

I don't know.
Nor care. Why should I?
Lots of people get wronged in this world.
What puts this guy on top of the list?

That's too fatalistic.

If Dutrow is a completely innocent man, wrongly framed, that would matter a lot. That would mean that a person was deprived of his livelihood for 10 years unjustly. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I don't believe for one second that is what happened here. But if there's evidence of it, and Dutrow wants to pursue it, he certainly should receive an opportunity to establish that theory.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

That's too fatalistic.

If Dutrow is a completely innocent man, wrongly framed, that would matter a lot. That would mean that a person was deprived of his livelihood for 10 years unjustly. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I don't believe for one second that is what happened here. But if there's evidence of it, and Dutrow wants to pursue it, he certainly should receive an opportunity to establish that theory.

If there is evidence, let HIM provide it, pay for it, proof it, whatever. I am not going to cry for him.

[PaceAdvantage]

Jesus, nobody is crying for him.