proximity poker tour 2014....

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Dilanesp, 95% of all "players" in all aspects of gambling check where they stand for any given session. Proximity gives a realistic feel to his writing by giving the reader a constant update on his current buy-in status. If he omitted this info, it would come across as an endless list of outcomes with no true context, thus boring the reader, droning on and on with no beginning, middle or end of a contentious session of poker. The difference between yourself and Proximity is: Proximity is interesting, likeable and entertaining in his posts, and unfortunately, you're not..........end of story.

When I played online, 4 percent of the limit players were winning players (we had this information from Table Ratings).

And what you are telling me is that 95 percent of players check where they stand for any given session.

These two numbers may be related. (And by the way, I think I just made that point in an interesting, entertaining way.)

Further, I think it's possible to talk about gambling in an interesting, entertaining way while also not making fundamental mistakes. Plenty of people do it WRT poker on the 2 plus 2 forums, and plenty of people do it here WRT horse racing.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

When I played online, 4 percent of the limit players were winning players (we had this information from Table Ratings).

And what you are telling me is that 95 percent of players check where they stand for any given session.

These two numbers may be related. (And by the way, I think I just made that point in an interesting, entertaining way.)

Further, I think it's possible to talk about gambling in an interesting, entertaining way while also not making fundamental mistakes. Plenty of people do it WRT poker on the 2 plus 2 forums, and plenty of people do it here WRT horse racing.

Alright, Alright.....I may have been a bit too harsh, as this post is somewhat interesting and entertaining. However, you're still lacking likability..

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Alright, Alright.....I may have been a bit too harsh, as this post is somewhat interesting and entertaining. However, you're still lacking likability..

On likeability, I actually think it's good poker strategy to be the most likeable person at the tables, and I strive to do that when I play.

I mean, there are limits-- you can't let an angle-shooter run all over you just because you want to be "nice". But generally, you want people to like playing poker with you. People like playing poker with folks who engage in table talk, are generally humorous rather than serious, are nice to them when bad things happen (I know poker fora are replete with "don't educate the fish" mantras, but one of the best things you can possibly do is express sympathy when a bad player plays absolutely properly and suffers a bad beat-- they appreciate that).

I really think the players who sit there absolutely still, trying not to betray the slightest emotion, not talking to anyone, putting their chips out every time in some robotic motion, are harming their winrates, because they are denying the fish the thing they really come for-- to have fun.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It's really not healthy in limit to think about whether you are up or down for the session. We are talking about a game where a significant number of hands is 15,000 to 35,000. During a 3 hour session you are playing something like 100. Your session results are basically a random number.

What would be more interesting would be to talk about HOW you played those hands:

On your first hand with 77, what position were you in? Did you raise pre-flop? How many opponents? Did you raise the flop or wait for the turn?

mid-late position, unracking my chips. did i raise pre flop? no. how many opponents? almost the whole table. did i raise the flop? yes. turn? can't even remember, i may even have been blown off the hand by the time it got to me???? there are other factors too, like who i'm playing. for example, when the pre-flop raiser (kk) calls on the flop.... i'm beat.

Flopping trips with A3 from the BB, was it a raised pot? How many opponents? Did you raise the flop or wait for the turn?

this was a rare 3-4 handed limped pot. first to act, i led out the whole way. i didn't think a check raise would work with the paired board.

On the hands where you lost with AK, AQ, and AJ, what did you do? How do you generally play missed overs? What boards do you bet and what boards do you check, and against how many opponents? When do you x/c and when do you x/f these hands on later streets?

pre flop, i almost always raise these hands. especially AK. after the flop IN THE GAMES I PLAY IN, i almost never continue with these hands.

Nice hand with the AK unimproved.

How many bets did you put in with the TT against QQ, and what streets did you put them in on?

preflop raise. call from competitive player behind me. small blind reraises. i call. flop: small blind bets. i raise in attempt to fold out the player behind me (if she has over cards) and possibly slow down the small blind who just calls, but continues to lead out on the turn and river. i'm probably beat and maybe a stronger limit player like whizz can lay this down but i "have to see it" and call down. mistakes will be made.

To me, those are much more interesting questions than whether you were down or up at any point in a session. It's limit-- you will sometimes be down and sometimes be up, and it will tell you little.

i'm up late on saturday night and up early on sunday morning. i'm driving 92.5 miles to horseshoe, playing 10+ hours, and driving 92.5 miles home. after 121 reports people here are probably getting more than a little tired of me but i promised a year's worth of reports and i will keep that promise while trying my best to keep the attention of the majority of readers. i actually really enjoy the paceadvantage forum and don't want people here to have bad feelings about me. and i don't want YOU to have bad feelings about me.

i'm not a 99.9+ percentile limit player like you are. and while i'm a little jealous of your elite ability and extremely jealous of the selection of games you have available to you, i don't need to be that good to win AND ENJOY the low level games i'm currently playing in. (and they are the only live limit games pretty much consistently available to me) wiffleball whizz (an experienced bigger games player) seems to think i have some potential for 10/20+ games but (1) he's never played limit with me and (2) it's my opinion that the low limit games i'm playing are just different...... SKLANSKY himself even acknowledges this in the beginning of his low limit book.

anyhow the limit games are (usually) fun and good change of pace from the constant racino diet of 1-2 no limit.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by proximity

i'm up late on saturday night and up early on sunday morning. i'm driving 92.5 miles to horseshoe, playing 10+ hours, and driving 92.5 miles home. after 121 reports people here are probably getting more than a little tired of me but i promised a year's worth of reports and i will keep that promise while trying my best to keep the attention of the majority of readers. i actually really enjoy the paceadvantage forum and don't want people here to have bad feelings about me. and i don't want YOU to have bad feelings about me.

i'm not a 99.9+ percentile limit player like you are. and while i'm a little jealous of your elite ability and extremely jealous of the selection of games you have available to you, i don't need to be that good to win AND ENJOY the low level games i'm currently playing in. (and they are the only live limit games pretty much consistently available to me) wiffleball whizz (an experienced bigger games player) seems to think i have some potential for 10/20+ games but (1) he's never played limit with me and (2) it's my opinion that the low limit games i'm playing are just different...... SKLANSKY himself even acknowledges this in the beginning of his low limit book.

anyhow the limit games are (usually) fun and good change of pace from the constant racino diet of 1-2 no limit.

It sounds to me like your play is reasonable. You should consider raising 77 pre-, and c - betting your overs on the driest boards. But I generally like what you did.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

Dilanesp, 95% of all "players" in all aspects of gambling check where they stand for any given session. Proximity gives a realistic feel to his writing by giving the reader a constant update on his current buy-in status. If he omitted this info, it would come across as an endless list of outcomes with no true context, thus boring the reader, droning on and on with no beginning, middle or end of a contentious session of poker. The difference between yourself and Proximity is: Proximity is interesting, likeable and entertaining in his posts, and unfortunately, you're not..........end of story.

i really do worry about the posts rambling on too long and boring people. i try to cover the main hands of the game as well as other things that are unique about the game or casino i'm playing in. sometimes i fail to be as terse as i would have liked and i do apologize to the readers for that.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by wiffleball whizz

Proximity......

Can you confirm or deny a 2015 rendition of "proximity poker tour 2015"?!??

As good as it gets!!!!!!

deny.

maybe i'll come back in 2016 though. "a year wiser" or something.

hopefully we can get someone to do it for 2015 though.

maybe track collector could have a "first full year" tour?

maybe dilanesp could have a cal-nev limit tour?

maybe manu918 will start another tournament tour?

ANY VOLUNTEERS????

[proximity]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

It sounds to me like your play is reasonable. You should consider raising 77 pre-, and c - betting your overs on the driest boards. But I generally like what you did.

in the 77 hand, once it gets to me at that point i'd prefer to have the maximum amount of players in the hand for the minimum amount of money. i can't remember the exact post but i'm pretty sure you covered a similar situation in one of the equity posts on your thread?

over cards are obviously one of the areas i'd have to get a lot better at to play better limit competition. in no-limit i feel i'm slowly getting better at continuing with these hands but i'm not sure this experience would have much carryover to bigger limit games?

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by proximity

i'm up late on saturday night and up early on sunday morning. i'm driving 92.5 miles to horseshoe, playing 10+ hours, and driving 92.5 miles home. after 121 reports people here are probably getting more than a little tired of me but i promised a year's worth of reports and i will keep that promise while trying my best to keep the attention of the majority of readers. i actually really enjoy the paceadvantage forum and don't want people here to have bad feelings about me. and i don't want YOU to have bad feelings about me.

i'm not a 99.9+ percentile limit player like you are. and while i'm a little jealous of your elite ability and extremely jealous of the selection of games you have available to you, i don't need to be that good to win AND ENJOY the low level games i'm currently playing in. (and they are the only live limit games pretty much consistently available to me) wiffleball whizz (an experienced bigger games player) seems to think i have some potential for 10/20+ games but (1) he's never played limit with me and (2) it's my opinion that the low limit games i'm playing are just different...... SKLANSKY himself even acknowledges this in the beginning of his low limit book.

anyhow the limit games are (usually) fun and good change of pace from the constant racino diet of 1-2 no limit.

You've got to be kidding me. You really think that you are BORING us here with your reports? Can't you see that you, single-handedly, are the person who keeps this poker forum going? People come to this forum BECAUSE of your reports...and your narrative is the best entertainment to be found around here. Where else can we get the fact-filled analysis of a gambling venture, without the pretense, the fake bravado, and the outright lies that usually accompany reports of this type? How many people do you suppose would have the character to really tell it how it is...warts and all?

My friend...I've said it to you before, and others have told you this as well: Your reports are a DELIGHT...and the longer and more detailed they are...the better we like them. Keep them coming...and put an end to this crazy talk about "boring us". Your reports are what puts an END to our boredom.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You've got to be kidding me. You really think that you are BORING us here with your reports? Can't you see that you, single-handedly, are the person who keeps this poker forum going? People come to this forum BECAUSE of your reports...and your narrative is the best entertainment to be found around here. Where else can we get the fact-filled analysis of a gambling venture, without the pretense, the fake bravado, and the outright lies that usually accompany reports of this type? How many people do you suppose would have the character to really tell it how it is...warts and all?

My friend...I've said it to you before, and others have told you this as well: Your reports are a DELIGHT...and the longer and more detailed they are...the better we like them. Keep them coming...and put and end to this crazy talk about "boring us". Your reports are what puts an END to our boredom.

[DeltaLover]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You've got to be kidding me. You really think that you are BORING us here with your reports? Can't you see that you, single-handedly, are the person who keeps this poker forum going? People come to this forum BECAUSE of your reports...and your narrative is the best entertainment to be found around here. Where else can we get the fact-filled analysis of a gambling venture, without the pretense, the fake bravado, and the outright lies that usually accompany reports of this type? How many people do you suppose would have the character to really tell it how it is...warts and all?

My friend...I've said it to you before, and others have told you this as well: Your reports are a DELIGHT...and the longer and more detailed they are...the better we like them. Keep them coming...and put an end to this crazy talk about "boring us". Your reports are what puts an END to our boredom.

[LottaKash]

Proximity, I have said this before, but it still holds with me, the posts of your adventures are always as welcome to me, as a good gulp of clean air is.... I look forward to them, but if and when they stop, I will miss them..

As others have stated, no pretentions here, just honest reporting of your insights, perceptions and the feelings of your plays along with the results of them..

I am always rooting for you....."KEEP ON"...

[Track Collector]

Originally Posted by proximity

i really do worry about the posts rambling on too long and boring people. i try to cover the main hands of the game as well as other things that are unique about the game or casino i'm playing in. sometimes i fail to be as terse as i would have liked and i do apologize to the readers for that.

Nonsense!

Like many others, I too find your posts interesting and something to look forward to. Unless you are simply tired of posting these reports, please do continue!

Because of this thread (darn you , I ventured into my very first Texas Holdem game back in August, and now have about 34 sessions under my belt. This number is continuing to rise quickly as I now average 3-4 sessions a week at the Charles Town poker tables.


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[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by proximity

in the 77 hand, once it gets to me at that point i'd prefer to have the maximum amount of players in the hand for the minimum amount of money. i can't remember the exact post but i'm pretty sure you covered a similar situation in one of the equity posts on your thread?

over cards are obviously one of the areas i'd have to get a lot better at to play better limit competition. in no-limit i feel i'm slowly getting better at continuing with these hands but i'm not sure this experience would have much carryover to bigger limit games?

77 can go either way. But it certainly isn't an automatic limp even in a 3-6 game full of calling stations. (I would definitely OPEN-raise it, for instance. Sometimes I might overlimp it, though.)

Missing the flop after a raise- it's not THAT different from no limit except you opponents have more fold equity, so you should c-bet narrower in NL.

4-handed in limit, you can still c-bet the driest boards like 933. You are just often ahead. 3-handed you can c-bet somewhat wetter boards like KT5 with two of one suit.

Heads up, c - betting 100 percent is fine.

And 5 handed or more, it's fine to just check unless you have additional outs.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You've got to be kidding me. You really think that you are BORING us here with your reports? Can't you see that you, single-handedly, are the person who keeps this poker forum going? People come to this forum BECAUSE of your reports...and your narrative is the best entertainment to be found around here. Where else can we get the fact-filled analysis of a gambling venture, without the pretense, the fake bravado, and the outright lies that usually accompany reports of this type? How many people do you suppose would have the character to really tell it how it is...warts and all?

My friend...I've said it to you before, and others have told you this as well: Your reports are a DELIGHT...and the longer and more detailed they are...the better we like them. Keep them coming...and put an end to this crazy talk about "boring us". Your reports are what puts an END to our boredom.

on 2+2 there are threads like this that i'll follow and some of them are really good threads but even within those threads from time to time i'll see an individual post that is just so huge that i'll just say FRAT. and if I do this with my already high level of interest in the thread, more casual followers are certainly skipping over the post as well. so here I like to try and keep the posts "manageable" so most followers will read them and possibly have a hunger for the next report when they're done.

another note about 2+2 threads is that some of the players get good advice and seem defensive about it. I've received a lot of good advice here and I realize that a lot of the time I probably seem defensive about it BUT DON'T LET THAT STOP YOU GUYS FROM POSTING ANY TIPS, ADVICE, OR COMMENTS THAT YOU FEEL ARE VALUABLE. sometimes I may be slow (or seem slow) to apply your good advice to MY game but I am taking it all in and even if it NEVER resonates with me, OTHERS will probably certainly find it valuable and be able to apply it to their games.

proximity