The battle of Tinhorn Flats

[xtb]

Originally Posted by mostpost

You don’t know what tyranny is, or freedom. Tyranny is not government enforcing laws to protect the majority of the population from the irresponsible actions of a few. Freedom does not mean you can do whatever you want without regard for the effect on others. “Freedom of speech does not include the right to cry fire in a crowded theater.” My right to swing my arms ends where your nose begins.”

Do you think the governments of Washington, Jefferson and others of the era didn’t enforce quarantines during outbreaks of smallpox, measles etc?
Government has the right, the duty, to protect its citizens. If this means temporarily inhabiting some their freedoms, I am fine with that. The key words being some and temporarily.

All of the actions taken by state, local and federal government during this pandemic have been temporary. In Illinois, where I live and in every region I know of, shut down orders are accompanied by metrics for ending the shutdown.

As I said, you do not understand and never will.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Government has the right, the duty, to protect its citizens.

I am responsible for my own health, not the Government.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by xtb

As I said, you do not understand and never will.

Why don’t you explain it to me. In detail

[stuball]

The gov't has no right to forse anyone to take the JAB - it is not a vaccine -- CDC when asked will this stop me from getting the covid response is we don't know it is experimental. Under the Nurnberg rules noone can be forced to take an experimental drug NOONE --you must be informed of all good that will come from it and all the bad things that can happen to
you then you can make the decision... no one can be forced to take an experimental drug ---NO One
Also if you die from the JAB drug companaies can't be sued and your insurance policy won't pay off

[Rex Phinney]

I'm fine with following rules as long as there is science to back it up. All this crap the government is forcing on us is bullshit and they know it. Most all the contact tracing studies that have been done don't come up with the result to support what we are being told. I believe this is why we don't here much about contact tracing.


Here is one from LA county that shows that restaurants are not responsible for mass outbreaks. I dug into this study at the time it was released and found that the contact tracing actually showed 3 times more people contracted COVID at government buildings than restaurants. Of course, no one will tell the public that.....


https://abc7.com/covid-19-data-resta...ining/8235279/

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Prove your second paragraph. CBP does not test for Covid. If someone has symptoms, they are referred to local authorities. If they have no symptoms, they can voluntarily go to be tested, but I am sure you would object to that too.

Wrong.
Those who test positive are being put on buses and sent north.

FACT, Jack.

Even your weak argument is ridiculous - they do no testing and allow free travel.

Get your head out of your ass.

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by Tom

Wrong.
Those who test positive are being put on buses and sent north.

FACT, Jack.

Even your weak argument is ridiculous - they do no testing and allow free travel.

Get your head out of your ass.

But he has been very a consistent ridiculous.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

it's your silence on multiple examples of risky behavior endorsed by the Biden administration which PROVES you don't give a shit about people dying from COVID or becoming infected...

The only time you care is when it bolsters your political slant.

Just like many Democrats and most far-left liberals.

The Biden administration encourages mask wearing and mandates it where it can. It practices social distancing and open schools and businesses only when certain metrics are meant.
It encourages folks to get vaccinated when there turn comes. And it backs up these policies with common sense rules. If those are the risky behaviors you are talking about, I guess I am guilty.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

I'm fine with following rules as long as there is science to back it up. All this crap the government is forcing on us is bullshit and they know it. Most all the contact tracing studies that have been done don't come up with the result to support what we are being told. I believe this is why we don't here much about contact tracing.


Here is one from LA county that shows that restaurants are not responsible for mass outbreaks. I dug into this study at the time it was released and found that the contact tracing actually showed 3 times more people contracted COVID at government buildings than restaurants. Of course, no one will tell the public that.....


https://abc7.com/covid-19-data-resta...ining/8235279/

All that your article-it’s not a scientific study-says is that restaurants account for 41% of Coronavirus infractions. That means things like being over capacity or having inadequate ventilation or not enforcing mask wearing. It has nothing to do with who got sick and how many people they infected.



https://nypost.com/2020/11/10/new-st...read-covid-19/

This study does. It used cell phone data to anonymously track the movements of 98 million people in the ten most populous metropolitan areas of the United States. Then it compared those movements with the incidence of Covid.

What they found was restaurants, gyms, hotels and places of worship, which were 10% of locations studied accounted for 80% of infections.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by stuball

The gov't has no right to forse anyone to take the JAB - it is not a vaccine -- CDC when asked will this stop me from getting the covid response is we don't know it is experimental. Under the Nurnberg rules noone can be forced to take an experimental drug NOONE --you must be informed of all good that will come from it and all the bad things that can happen to
you then you can make the decision... no one can be forced to take an experimental drug ---NO One
Also if you die from the JAB drug companaies can't be sued and your insurance policy won't pay off

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are more than 90% effective in preventing Covid after two injections. The Johnson & Johnson is close to 80% effective. All of them are close to 100% effective in preventing severe cases or death. Side effects are very rare and usually short lived. Of course I am talking about real side effects, not the imaginary ones found on right wing websites.

No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. You are free to be as stupid as you wish.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are more than 90% effective in preventing Covid after two injections. The Johnson & Johnson is close to 80% effective. All of them are close to 100% effective in preventing severe cases or death. Side effects are very rare and usually short lived. Of course I am talking about real side effects, not the imaginary ones found on right wing websites.

Then why social distancing and masks after being vaccinated?

No one is forcing you to take the vaccine. You are free to be as stupid as you wish.

Not yet...stay tuned.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Then why social distancing and masks after being vaccinated?

VARIANTS!

Don't you listen to the GREAT (6ft then 3ft...no masks then 3 masks...nothing to worry about then SHIT-YOUR-PANTS-SCARY) FAUCI?

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by mostpost

All that your article-it’s not a scientific study-says is that restaurants account for 41% of Coronavirus infractions. That means things like being over capacity or having inadequate ventilation or not enforcing mask wearing. It has nothing to do with who got sick and how many people they infected.



https://nypost.com/2020/11/10/new-st...read-covid-19/

This study does. It used cell phone data to anonymously track the movements of 98 million people in the ten most populous metropolitan areas of the United States. Then it compared those movements with the incidence of Covid.

What they found was restaurants, gyms, hotels and places of worship, which were 10% of locations studied accounted for 80% of infections.

Right from the article

“restaurants have been linked to less than 4% of coronavirus outbreaks in non-residential settings, according to data from L.A. County”

This data was compiled by the LA County Health Department. They had an entire report on results the their contact tracing that was released around this same time.

Furthermore certain counties here are completely tossing the rules aside. In Kern county where I’m at we’ve been eating inside for months. Compare our numbers to mask nazi LA county and there is basically no difference.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by mostpost

The Biden administration encourages mask wearing and mandates it where it can. It practices social distancing and open schools and businesses only when certain metrics are meant.
It encourages folks to get vaccinated when there turn comes. And it backs up these policies with common sense rules. If those are the risky behaviors you are talking about, I guess I am guilty.

Wrong again, Newman.

Schools area opened or closed at local levels, not federal. And pretty much anty democrat area totally ignores science in the decision making.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Then why social distancing and masks after being vaccinated?



Not yet...stay tuned.

The BOOGIEMAN!!!! (Faucistein)