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Old 08-01-2018, 07:24 AM   #136
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Or he's actually injured.
Then tell us what the injury is, release the vet report, show us why an extremely fit horse is being said of in mid-July that he can’t get back to the races in October.
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Old 08-01-2018, 07:26 AM   #137
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No matter what Justify might do if he ran again, what significant difference do you thing it would make to his worth? What could they possibly gain from racing him again, as opposed to what could the lose by doing so?

Smart business decision.
Bad for us, but we aren't paying the bills.
There’s a saying about killing the golden goose.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:15 AM   #138
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Who says it is any of our business?
It's not like they owe us an explanation.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:16 AM   #139
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There’s a saying about killing the golden goose.
I'd say Justify is the Golden Goose and they are protecting him!
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:19 AM   #140
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There’s a saying about killing the golden goose.
I've used the same expression about killing the goose that laid the golden eggs earlier in this thread. They're going for the quick big golden eggs by retiring him early. The goose they are killing is racing itself by retiring its heroes prematurely before they can build a fan base.
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:07 AM   #141
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It would be nice if our really good horses stuck around, but I'm not sure it would really help racing all that much if they did. For example, how many of the Zenyatta fans (the new ones, not long time racing fans) do people think stuck around and are bettors now? The game needs to figure out a way to make the gambling part attractive. That will grow the game.

Horses come and go and in the grand scheme of things a few stars sticking around for another year or two isn't going to matter much IMO, especially given how little they race when kept in training anyway.
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:22 AM   #142
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True, not all fans become bettors but they represent a pool from which many bettors come. In addition any sport needs to maintain it's fan base to survive and maintain its image as a sport.
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:30 AM   #143
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Or he's actually injured.
True, he might really be injured but in cases like this one has to look at the credibility of the sources and, lacking supporting evidence, I'd say Baffert's word is suspect. Remember how he denied any shady tactics in the Belmont, the 2016 Awesome Again and other cases.
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Old 08-01-2018, 10:35 AM   #144
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It would be nice if our really good horses stuck around, but I'm not sure it would really help racing all that much if they did. For example, how many of the Zenyatta fans (the new ones, not long time racing fans) do people think stuck around and are bettors now? The game needs to figure out a way to make the gambling part attractive. That will grow the game.

Horses come and go and in the grand scheme of things a few stars sticking around for another year or two isn't going to matter much IMO, especially given how little they race when kept in training anyway.
So CJ, if we continue to go down the road of making the gambling part more attractive and the horses less of a draw to the game, we end up here:


The late Perry Tunks AKA Robert Goren, had as his signature, the following:

"Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will be betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here"."
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One Zenyatta fan remains.....

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The press coverage of the 1980 Belmont was hilarious. Temperance Hill was described as "a lay-about who fell asleep in the paddock before the race". Another wrote that Genuine Risk got her revenge on "that evil little imp Cordero" when she left him and Codex back in the slop. The funniest was when one chauvinistic writer said he swore that he saw Genuine Risks "breasts heaving" as she tried to hold off Temperance Hill". Bobby Riggs would have loved that one.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:22 AM   #147
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True, he might really be injured but in cases like this one has to look at the credibility of the sources and, lacking supporting evidence, I'd say Baffert's word is suspect. Remember how he denied any shady tactics in the Belmont, the 2016 Awesome Again and other cases.
I wouldn't believe anything he said either.

But at the same time look at the circumstances surrounding the horse throughout his career (surgical lesion as a yearling, injured and unstarted as a 2yo, grueling schedule to make and win the Triple Crown, distinctly lame after the Kentucky Derby, intermittent training following Belmont) and you cannot simply dismiss the possibility of a career-ending injury with a wave of the hand.
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Old 08-01-2018, 11:30 AM   #148
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It would be nice if our really good horses stuck around, but I'm not sure it would really help racing all that much if they did. For example, how many of the Zenyatta fans (the new ones, not long time racing fans) do people think stuck around and are bettors now? The game needs to figure out a way to make the gambling part attractive. That will grow the game.

Horses come and go and in the grand scheme of things a few stars sticking around for another year or two isn't going to matter much IMO, especially given how little they race when kept in training anyway.
If it regularly happened it would help a lot, because star horses generate a ton of sustained press coverage.

Since it only happens these days as a one-off, it doesn't help as much.
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Old 08-01-2018, 12:28 PM   #149
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Another interesting note about that race was although Angel Cordero rode Spend A Buck to win the Derby he couldn't ride him that day. So they flew Laffit in to ride him.

Greatest finish by a jock that I've ever seen. He literally picked that horse up and MADE him win. It was against a darn good field too. I Am The Game was in there as was Creme Fraiche who won the Belmont. And Skip Trial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgtwbJk7auM
Cool story. Thanks.

If I remember correctly, all of the jocks share bonus money went to Laffit which Cordero had a real beef with, since he had won the three prior races on the colt. I think Cordero was committed to ride Track Barron that day in New York.

Agree that somehow Laffit carried the Buck home in that race as he was spent from hooking Huddle Up early, then out gaming Creme Fraiche to the wire.

Funny, Sharon Smith says, even though the fractions were "slow" in the telecast.

Back to the thread theme,
Justify retiring is no shock and overall think it's never good for the game when the top horses only race 6 races for a career.

I saw a video of Justify's parade around the paddock on the 28th, walking better than he did with Baffert days after the Derby, when he was listed as "fine".

Not to worry, I am sure Baffert will pull another crazy good one out of his barn soon...
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Old 08-01-2018, 01:00 PM   #150
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So CJ, if we continue to go down the road of making the gambling part more attractive and the horses less of a draw to the game, we end up here:


The late Perry Tunks AKA Robert Goren, had as his signature, the following:

"Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will be betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here"."
The draw is both and in varying levels for each individual. The horses are still important, they just change more often than people would like. I think the horse is still important, just doesn't matter if we have old stars sticking around or new ones arising to take their place IMO.
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