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09-07-2010, 08:03 AM
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Does anybody bet to win anymore
Went to Saratoga last week with a few buddies and bet my friend that he could pick up ten separate discarded tickets from the floor and maybe one out of the ten tickets would have a win wager. The total was zero. The money on the toteboard does not lie, however, the overwhelming small bettors at the track are betting anything but the win pool...We had a few laughs.
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09-07-2010, 08:36 AM
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You test would suggest that win bettors cash and the others throw the tickets away. 
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09-07-2010, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You test would suggest that win bettors cash and the others throw the tickets away. |
 NIce one Tom!
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09-07-2010, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You test would suggest that win bettors cash and the others throw the tickets away. |
Yeah, that's why he couldn't find any.......hehe
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09-07-2010, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BELMONT 6-6-09
Went to Saratoga last week with a few buddies and bet my friend that he could pick up ten separate discarded tickets from the floor and maybe one out of the ten tickets would have a win wager. The total was zero. The money on the toteboard does not lie, however, the overwhelming small bettors at the track are betting anything but the win pool...We had a few laughs.
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My typical bet is win plus exacta x/xxx
I bet 5 units win and 1 unit exacta
win strike 40% exacta 15%
so there are more of my losing exacta tickets on the floor than my wins.
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09-07-2010, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by misscashalot
My typical bet is win plus exacta x/xxx
I bet 5 units win and 1 unit exacta
win strike 40% exacta 15%
so there are more of my losing exacta tickets on the floor than my wins.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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09-07-2010, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You test would suggest that win bettors cash and the others throw the tickets away. |
As Dick Mitchell said- If you can't make a profit betting to win, you have no business playing the exotics.
Or as in Glen Frey's Smuggler's Blues
It's the lure of easy money
It's gotta very strong appeal
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09-07-2010, 12:31 PM
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The once or twice a month better who shows up at track is almost ways an exacta or tri box better. They have budgeted a loss and are looking for a score. Most of the win pool money on favorites is coming from large betters. The people who are at the track every day are either looking for really good price in the win pool or are betting tri or supers. I have feeling that most pick 3s or pick 4s are bet online. I am sure most pick 6s are.
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09-07-2010, 12:42 PM
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It seems to me that some portion of the bettors today are less inclined to make a stance and single a 'key horse' for the purposes of a win bet and generally box up a number of horses in the exotics ie. superfectas, trifectas , exactas to broaden the wager for the sole purpose of cashing a ticket.
The win wager (especially at 4/1 and up), should be the focal point for the majority of recreational players...then the exotics are the extras.
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09-07-2010, 03:00 PM
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every day but that is not where the best ROI comes from
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09-07-2010, 03:35 PM
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Win bets stabilize the ROI.Gotta have em.
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09-07-2010, 03:40 PM
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Win pools in Calif will start getting much bigger on Dec 26th.
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09-07-2010, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fingal
As Dick Mitchell said- If you can't make a profit betting to win, you have no business playing the exotics.
Or as in Glen Frey's Smuggler's Blues
It's the lure of easy money
It's gotta very strong appeal
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I agree with the the last comment...but not the first one.
Dick Mitchell was wrong...you CAN make a profit in the exotics, even if you have failed as a win bettor.
I had always included win betting in my "arsenal", but I realized that it was a losing proposition for me...and I eliminated it.
I have concentrated on the superfecta for about 3 years now...and I am very happy with the results.
Results in win betting have nothing to do with results in exotics betting in my opinion.
Exotics wagering is all a matter of personal temperment, and the proper rating of horses...assuming one has the discipline to avoid overdoing it, and playing every race.
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09-07-2010, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I agree with the the last comment...but not the first one.
Dick Mitchell was wrong...you CAN make a profit in the exotics, even if you have failed as a win bettor.
I had always included win betting in my "arsenal", but I realized that it was a losing proposition for me...and I eliminated it.
I have concentrated on the superfecta for about 3 years now...and I am very happy with the results.
Results in win betting have nothing to do with results in exotics betting in my opinion.
Exotics wagering is all a matter of personal temperment, and the proper rating of horses...assuming one has the discipline to avoid overdoing it, and playing every race.
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Spoken like someone who's been there and done that.Nice post and totally true at a lot of levels. 
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09-07-2010, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I agree with the the last comment...but not the first one.
Dick Mitchell was wrong...you CAN make a profit in the exotics, even if you have failed as a win bettor.
I had always included win betting in my "arsenal", but I realized that it was a losing proposition for me...and I eliminated it.
I have concentrated on the superfecta for about 3 years now...and I am very happy with the results.
Results in win betting have nothing to do with results in exotics betting in my opinion.
Exotics wagering is all a matter of personal temperment, and the proper rating of horses...assuming one has the discipline to avoid overdoing it, and playing every race.
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.......agree 100%
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