No Whipping at Santa Anita

[cutchemist42]

Horse racing Twitter is really clueless tonight...

[Al Gobbi]

The California Horse Racing Board voted on Thursday to ban jockeys from using whips to urge their mounts, the first stage of a process that will take several months and fundamentally change the way races are ridden.

The rule will limit riders to using whips “when necessary to control the horse for the safety of the horse or rider.” The current rule allowing jockeys to use the whip three times in succession before pausing to give a horse a chance to respond will be eliminated.

The rule change was approved unanimously, by a vote of 5-0, and will be subject to a 45-day public comment period before the board votes on the matter again. It is possible that the language of the rule could be changed in coming months, pending public comments, which could further delay implementation.

Once approved by the board for the final time, the rule is subject to a review by the state’s office of administrative law before going into effect, possibly in the second half of the year.

https://www.drf.com/news/chrb-takes-...=news/all-news

[bob60566]

Originally Posted by Al Gobbi

https://www.drf.com/news/chrb-takes-...=news/all-news

Please stand by normal service will resume as soon as possible.

Got to love people making decisions.

[taxicab]

Interesting:

http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com...-horse-racing/

[bobphilo]

Great idea. Now the naturally more competitive horses that run on their own courage have the advantage. Nothing wrong with that. Plus it will improve the optics of racing considerably.

[citygoat]

All they have to do is reduce the purse by 5% for everytime the horse gets whipped

[sharkie187]

Wonder if I can get some help on this issue.
Wherever you are, if you can take a selfie with a small post it on social media that reads
“No whips, no bets”.
Its small but it shows where CA tracks are being wagered on.
#nowhipsnobets on twitter.

Basically, its letting the CHRB know that you will not play a CA track if this rule goes into effect. The whip, when used correctly, is used to encourage a horse especially when its in contention or to make it stay focus when alone on the lead.

To be clear, this isn’t limited to Santa Anita, but ALL CA tracks (I think thats how I read it from the CHRB meeting).
I’ve been reviewing the latest runs at SA and there are many instances where I see a jock would’ve been out of the money without the use of his whip to encourage him to keep going.

I really want to attend the next CHRB meeting where they hear public comment on this matter and express my opinion as a horse player the vital need for a whip in a race and could use the hastag to show that there are others who think the same. Thanks!

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by sharkie187

Wonder if I can get some help on this issue.
Wherever you are, if you can take a selfie with a small post it on social media that reads
“No whips, no bets”.
Its small but it shows where CA tracks are being wagered on.
#nowhipsnobets on twitter.

Basically, its letting the CHRB know that you will not play a CA track if this rule goes into effect. The whip, when used correctly, is used to encourage a horse especially when its in contention or to make it stay focus when alone on the lead.

To be clear, this isn’t limited to Santa Anita, but ALL CA tracks (I think thats how I read it from the CHRB meeting).
I’ve been reviewing the latest runs at SA and there are many instances where I see a jock would’ve been out of the money without the use of his whip to encourage him to keep going.

I really want to attend the next CHRB meeting where they hear public comment on this matter and express my opinion as a horse player the vital need for a whip in a race and could use the hastag to show that there are others who think the same. Thanks!

So to be clear, as long as the horse might run slightly better, you don't care even if the jockey seriously abuses the animal?

That's a nonstarter here in California. We have a strong animal rights movement here. Enjoy playing other tracks.

[sharkie187]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

So to be clear, as long as the horse might run slightly better, you don't care even if the jockey seriously abuses the animal?

That's a nonstarter here in California. We have a strong animal rights movement here. Enjoy playing other tracks.

This is about protecting the betting public. This is about a jockey’s earning a living. This is about trainers and owners and the tac crew earning a living based on how well their horse runs. Horses need encouragement to run a but more and to give more!
And a reporter from the guardian uk actually asked Champion jockey Jim Crowley to whip as hard as he does in a race...he reported that it didn’t hurt. So if it doesn’t the reporter, it shouldn’t hurt the horse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hip-didnt-hurt

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by sharkie187

This is about protecting the betting public. This is about a jockey’s earning a living. This is about trainers and owners and the tac crew earning a living based on how well their horse runs. Horses need encouragement to run a but more and to give more!
And a reporter from the guardian uk actually asked Champion jockey Jim Crowley to whip as hard as he does in a race...he reported that it didn’t hurt. So if it doesn’t the reporter, it shouldn’t hurt the horse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hip-didnt-hurt

None of that matters to the political situation in California (and I honestly don't believe claims that repeatedly hitting a horse doesn't hurt).

[jocko699]

Two horses down. Arms Runner and the mare La Sardane. FFffing sucks

[Dahossdaboss]

Originally Posted by jocko699

Two horses down. Arms Runner and the mare La Sardane. FFffing sucks

Looks like Arms Runner took a bad step as they crossed the dirt and La Sardane fell over him.

Terrible.

[jocko699]

Originally Posted by jocko699

Two horses down. Arms Runner and the mare La Sardane. FFffing sucks

RIP Arms Runner

[ubercapper]

Originally Posted by sharkie187

This is about protecting the betting public. This is about a jockey’s earning a living. This is about trainers and owners and the tac crew earning a living based on how well their horse runs. Horses need encouragement to run a but more and to give more!
And a reporter from the guardian uk actually asked Champion jockey Jim Crowley to whip as hard as he does in a race...he reported that it didn’t hurt. So if it doesn’t the reporter, it shouldn’t hurt the horse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hip-didnt-hurt

The science in this video refutes that, and a lot more although it does do a good job of showing both sides of the argument.

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[Scanman]

Originally Posted by ubercapper

The science in this video refutes that, and a lot more although it does do a good job of showing both sides of the argument.



https://youtu.be/pYv7j9e2z_0

I saw this video some time ago and it is easily the best review/analysis of the use of the whip. Anyone invested in its use or abolition should watch it.

Races prohibiting the use of the whip (to encouraging the horse to run faster) have already been contested in a few countries. And in each race, there was a winner. The best equine and human athlete prevailed.

For me, I support the rider carrying it for control/directional purposes and allowing 1 strike, back or fore handed; once per furlong only within the final 3 furlongs of a race.