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Old 09-07-2018, 08:36 PM   #1
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The Statesman and the Clown

Obama at Urbana
I’m here today because this is one of those pivotal moments when every one of us as citizens of the United States need to determine just who it is that we are. Just what it is that we stand for. And as a fellow citizen — not as an ex-president, but as a fellow citizen — I’m here to deliver a simple message, and that is that you need to vote because our democracy depends on it.

Trump in Billings
Now I'm you know a victim of that too but I'm sort of getting used to it. At least it's my job. I was going to say I'm a politician. I never thought I was going to say I'm a politician. Could you believe I'm I guess I'm a politician. You know I guess I'm a politician because I didn't want to say that one of the few times I just said yeah I'm a politician.

Obama at Urbana
Out of the turmoil of the Industrial Revolution and the Great Depression, America adapted a new economy, a 20th century economy, guiding our free market with regulations to protect health and safety and fair competition, empowering workers with union movements, investing in science and infrastructure and educational institutions like U of I, strengthening our system of primary and secondary education, and stitching together a social safety net. All of this led to unrivaled prosperity and the rise of a broad and deep middle class and the sense that if you worked hard, you could climb the ladder of success.

Trump in Billings
And the Democrats and liberals and deep state there were very upset to hear that. So they got tougher and tougher and they lied more and they write more books now. I've never seen a book. This is actually the ones that are really good are number one two and three on the bestseller list right. The one ones the really good ones by justice.


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Not everyone was included in this prosperity. There was a lot more work to do. And so in response to the stain of slavery and segregation and the reality of racial discrimination, the civil rights movement not only opened new doors for African-Americans but also opened up the floodgates of opportunity for women and Americans with disabilities and LGBT Americans and others to make their own claims to full and equal citizenship.

Trump in Billings
But but think of it. So I beat the Republicans governors senators. I beat the Bush dynasty respect. I beat Hillary who stole it from Bernie. Bernie should have won but that's OK. They stole the superdelegates. How do you like superdelegates. But she's got super delegates that were handed to her. Bernie should be angry.


Obama at Urbana
Of course, there’s always been another darker aspect to America’s story. Progress doesn’t just move in a straight line. There’s a reason why progress hasn’t been easy and why throughout our history every two steps forward seems to sometimes produce one step back. Each time we painstakingly pull ourselves closer to our founding ideals, that all of us are created equal, endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, the ideals that say every child should have opportunity and every man and woman in this country who’s willing to work hard should be able to find a job and support a family and pursue their small peace of the American dream, ideals that say we have a collective responsibility to care for the sick and the and we have a responsibility to conserve the amazing bounty, the natural resources of this country and of this planet for future generations — each time we’ve gotten closer to those ideals, somebody somewhere has pushed back.

Trump in Billings
You know I would think if that happened every time a Republican or a Democrat opposite got elected president. So let's say a Democrat gets elected someday hopefully it's a long time but let's say a Democrat gets elected and let's say we have a Republican House. We (want to impeach) that Democrat. Right. And then Republican we won by a lot.


Obama at Urbana
those at the top of the economic pyramid have been able to influence government to skew things even more in their direction.
Cutting taxes on the wealthiest Americans, unwinding regulations and weakening worker protections, shrinking the safety net. So you have come of age during a time of growing inequality, a fracturing of economic opportunity. And that growing economic divide compounded other divisions in our country. Regional, racial, religious, cultural. And made it harder to build consensus on issues. It made politicians less willing to compromise, which increased gridlock, which made people even more cynical about politics. And then the reckless behavior of financial elites triggered a massive financial crisis.

Trump in Billings
You are just voting for a candidate you're voting for which party controls Congress very important very important thing. I don't even bring it up because I view it as something that you know would you like to use the Impeach word impeach Trump Maxine Waters we will impeach him. But he didn't do anything wrong.
It doesn't matter we will impeach we will impeach but I say How do you impeach somebody that's doing a great job that hasn't done anything wrong. Our economy is good. How do we. But he's doing a great job. Does it matter. Remember that line he's doing a great job. That doesn't matter. We'll impeach him. It is a hell of a place in Washington.

Obama at Urbana
With each new law that helps a kid read or helps a homeless family find shelter or helps a veteran get the support he or she has earned, each time that happens hope happens. With each new step we take in the direction of fairness and justice and equality and opportunity, hope spreads. And that can be the legacy of your generation.
You can be the generation that at a critical moment stood up and reminded us just how precious this experiment in democracy really is, just how powerful it can be when we fight for it, when we believe in it. I believe in you. I believe you will help lead us in the right direction, and I will be right there with you every step of the way. Thank you, Illinois. God bless you. God bless this country we love.


I think you can figure out who is the statesman and who is the clown. No, of course you can't. Obama is the statesman; Trump is the clown.


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The Trump quotes come from: https://factba.se/transcript/donald-...ptember-6-2018

The Obama quotes come from: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ois-transcript

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Old 09-07-2018, 08:59 PM   #2
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I think we also know who the American is and who the socialist is.
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Can we play Herman's Hermits?

Second verse same as the first........
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I think we also know who the American is and who the socialist is.
I don't think it's quite as obvious as you do...
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I think we also know who the American is and who the socialist is.
The one we think is a commie is the socialist, takes about 3 seconds to figure that out.
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I don't think it's quite as obvious as you do...
Pay closer attention....

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The one we think is a commie is the socialist, takes about 3 seconds to figure that out.
On socialism via trade:

Trump -> aligns with Sanders, USSR, other command economies.

Obama -> aligns more with Friedman, Smith, free trade.

They flip when it comes to regulation.

On being an American:

Toss up I haven't seen either birth certificate.
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Pay closer attention....
That's not really different than you during Obama's 8 years of growth... just saying...

You check the deficit for this year lately?
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On socialism via trade:

Trump -> aligns with Sanders, USSR, other command economies.

Obama -> aligns more with Friedman, Smith, free trade.

They flip when it comes to regulation.

On being an American:

Toss up I haven't seen either birth certificate.
It is OK, Mike wants us to be creative handling Y'all.

So we will consider everything you put down as moot. Events of the day will eat at you, not us.
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Obama refers to himself 102 times during 64-minute speech

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hes...minute-speech/
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On socialism via trade:

Trump -> aligns with Sanders, USSR, other command economies.

Obama -> aligns more with Friedman, Smith, free trade.

They flip when it comes to regulation.

On being an American:

Toss up I haven't seen either birth certificate.
That's pretty weak.

Did you forget Cuba?

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Second verse same as the first........
One of the greatest lines ever written for a song
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That's pretty weak.

Did you forget Cuba?

Baseball has been very very good to me!

Get off this ride anytime you want.
What about Cuba?
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Obama refers to himself 102 times during 64-minute speech

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hes...minute-speech/

Well, Trump beat him, referring to himself 264 times in the first 64 minutes of his campaign speech in Billings, Mt.
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I’m here today because this is one of those pivotal moments when every one of us as citizens of the United States need to determine just who it is that we are. Just what it is that we stand for. And as a fellow citizen — not as an ex-president, but as a fellow citizen — I’m here to deliver a simple message, and that is that you need to vote because our democracy depends on it.

Trump in Billings
Now I'm you know a victim of that too but I'm sort of getting used to it. At least it's my job. I was going to say I'm a politician. I never thought I was going to say I'm a politician. Could you believe I'm I guess I'm a politician. You know I guess I'm a politician because I didn't want to say that one of the few times I just said yeah I'm a politician.

Obama at Urbana
Out of the turmoil of the Industrial Revolution and the Great Depression, America adapted a new economy, a 20th century economy, guiding our free market with regulations to protect health and safety and fair competition, empowering workers with union movements, investing in science and infrastructure and educational institutions like U of I, strengthening our system of primary and secondary education, and stitching together a social safety net. All of this led to unrivaled prosperity and the rise of a broad and deep middle class and the sense that if you worked hard, you could climb the ladder of success.

Trump in Billings
And the Democrats and liberals and deep state there were very upset to hear that. So they got tougher and tougher and they lied more and they write more books now. I've never seen a book. This is actually the ones that are really good are number one two and three on the bestseller list right. The one ones the really good ones by justice.


Obama at Urbana
Not everyone was included in this prosperity. There was a lot more work to do. And so in response to the stain of slavery and segregation and the reality of racial discrimination, the civil rights movement not only opened new doors for African-Americans but also opened up the floodgates of opportunity for women and Americans with disabilities and LGBT Americans and others to make their own claims to full and equal citizenship.

Trump in Billings
But but think of it. So I beat the Republicans governors senators. I beat the Bush dynasty respect. I beat Hillary who stole it from Bernie. Bernie should have won but that's OK. They stole the superdelegates. How do you like superdelegates. But she's got super delegates that were handed to her. Bernie should be angry.


Obama at Urbana
Of course, there’s always been another darker aspect to America’s story. Progress doesn’t just move in a straight line. There’s a reason why progress hasn’t been easy and why throughout our history every two steps forward seems to sometimes produce one step back. Each time we painstakingly pull ourselves closer to our founding ideals, that all of us are created equal, endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, the ideals that say every child should have opportunity and every man and woman in this country who’s willing to work hard should be able to find a job and support a family and pursue their small peace of the American dream, ideals that say we have a collective responsibility to care for the sick and the and we have a responsibility to conserve the amazing bounty, the natural resources of this country and of this planet for future generations — each time we’ve gotten closer to those ideals, somebody somewhere has pushed back.

Trump in Billings
You know I would think if that happened every time a Republican or a Democrat opposite got elected president. So let's say a Democrat gets elected someday hopefully it's a long time but let's say a Democrat gets elected and let's say we have a Republican House. We (want to impeach) that Democrat. Right. And then Republican we won by a lot.


Obama at Urbana
those at the top of the economic pyramid have been able to influence government to skew things even more in their direction.
Cutting taxes on the wealthiest Americans, unwinding regulations and weakening worker protections, shrinking the safety net. So you have come of age during a time of growing inequality, a fracturing of economic opportunity. And that growing economic divide compounded other divisions in our country. Regional, racial, religious, cultural. And made it harder to build consensus on issues. It made politicians less willing to compromise, which increased gridlock, which made people even more cynical about politics. And then the reckless behavior of financial elites triggered a massive financial crisis.

Trump in Billings
You are just voting for a candidate you're voting for which party controls Congress very important very important thing. I don't even bring it up because I view it as something that you know would you like to use the Impeach word impeach Trump Maxine Waters we will impeach him. But he didn't do anything wrong.
It doesn't matter we will impeach we will impeach but I say How do you impeach somebody that's doing a great job that hasn't done anything wrong. Our economy is good. How do we. But he's doing a great job. Does it matter. Remember that line he's doing a great job. That doesn't matter. We'll impeach him. It is a hell of a place in Washington.

Obama at Urbana
With each new law that helps a kid read or helps a homeless family find shelter or helps a veteran get the support he or she has earned, each time that happens hope happens. With each new step we take in the direction of fairness and justice and equality and opportunity, hope spreads. And that can be the legacy of your generation.
You can be the generation that at a critical moment stood up and reminded us just how precious this experiment in democracy really is, just how powerful it can be when we fight for it, when we believe in it. I believe in you. I believe you will help lead us in the right direction, and I will be right there with you every step of the way. Thank you, Illinois. God bless you. God bless this country we love.


I think you can figure out who is the statesman and who is the clown. No, of course you can't. Obama is the statesman; Trump is the clown.


Housekeeping:

The Trump quotes come from: https://factba.se/transcript/donald-...ptember-6-2018

The Obama quotes come from: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ois-transcript

Full disclosure: The trump transcript was created by a robot.
Mostie, You've obviously never heard Obama speak off the top of his head. Lots of Uh's and ah's, and incoherent stuff that makes little sense. The above were all written speeches(not by him), and he perfectly recited them with the flourish and pauses of a skilled actor. Trump does everything off the top of his head, which is pretty obvious. During my lifetime, only Clinton and early Reagan were good to great ex temporaneous speakers.
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