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07-04-2018, 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
As Mike Harvey use to say... Now For the Rest of the Story...
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The FBI's and CIA's "analytical disagreement" with the NSA over whether Russia sought to bolster the Trump presidential campaign was "reasonable," the report also said.
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Kind of dishonest to post this, not providing a link to the original.
Your except was from Fox Nerws
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...tel-panel.html
Not from the original Senate report.
https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/medi...FINALJULY3.pdf
There was some editorializing by Fox altering the emphasis just enough to weaken conclusions. The original is in PDF format, which was my first clue that you were clueless.
However the Fox headline no matter the "rest of the story"
Is still the point
Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel
The link I provided did less editorializing , and captures the correct degree of emphasis.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/sen...-donald-trump/
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A new assessment issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday concurred with previous reports that President Vladimir Putin personally approved Russian meddling in the 2016 election. The Committee also stated that Russia’s influence campaign was designed to help Donald Trump win.
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07-04-2018, 04:26 AM
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Here's Reuters
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Senate Intelligence Committee report released on Tuesday supports three U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
The Republican-led committee’s finding suggests the panel continues to conduct a bipartisan inquiry into the issue amid political rancor between Republicans and Democrats on allegations that Moscow interfered in the election.
“As numerous intelligence and national security officials in the Trump administration have since unanimously re-affirmed, the (Intelligence Community Assessment’s) findings were accurate and on point,” said committee Vice Chairman Mark Warner, a Democrat.
“The Russian effort was extensive and sophisticated, and its goals were to undermine public faith in the democratic process, to hurt Secretary Clinton (Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton) and to help Donald Trump,” Warner said.
......According to public records and congressional officials, the Senate Intelligence Committee report is the latest of four election-related inquiries on which the panel’s Republicans and Democrats continue to cooperate.
Earlier, the committee held a public hearing and issued a report on the security of U.S. election systems, on which there was no partisan dissent.
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07-04-2018, 04:46 AM
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I am beginning to think the release of this report is not coincidental to recent events and maybe the Senate Intei Committeee is reacting to, and warning about......
1)-The disjointed House intel Committee fiasco implying there was no meddling by Russia.
2)-Trump announcing a meeting with Putin in Helsinki. Where the odds are he will give away the store as he did in Singapore.
FYI: Putin may have swayed Trump on ending US, South Kore joint military operations
3)-Trump is toying about a change in US policy on recognizing Russian occupation of Crimea. A 180º shift in U.S. policy on nonrecognition of Crimea is exactly what the Kremlin wants.
We will see.
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07-04-2018, 08:25 AM
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Check these facts out.
Adam (shifty) Shift had a Russian background last year. Now he is Lithuanian.
I blame Mueller.
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07-04-2018, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chadk66
Russia did a piss poor job then, Hillary got the most votes
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But TRUMP got the RIGHT votes.
Amazing how the dumb old lazy bag snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and the left blames TRUMP for being the candidate of superior intellect!
I'm going to go with Divine Intervention.
God does love us.
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07-04-2018, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
I am beginning to think the release of this report is not coincidental to recent events and maybe the Senate Intei Committeee is reacting to, and warning about......
1)-The disjointed House intel Committee fiasco implying there was no meddling by Russia.
2)-Trump announcing a meeting with Putin in Helsinki. Where the odds are he will give away the store as he did in Singapore.
FYI: Putin may have swayed Trump on ending US, South Kore joint military operations
3)-Trump is toying about a change in US policy on recognizing Russian occupation of Crimea. A 180º shift in U.S. policy on nonrecognition of Crimea is exactly what the Kremlin wants.
We will see.
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More...
4)-Trump recently has dissed NATO, complaining to various NATO countries about paying their share
5)-Trump tried to make Vladimir Putin's wildest dreams come true by destabilizing the European Union.
Trump offered French President Emmanuel Macron a shocking deal: If France leaves the E.U., the U.S. will give France a much better bilateral trade deal than the rest of the E.U. gets.
6)-Trump appeared hell-bent on deteriorating the post-World War II order. Trump targeted America’s allies with self-destructive tariffs based on false data, refused to sign the G-7 statement of common values, and hurled insults at leaders who have been nothing but friendly to America.
And also suggested Russia join the G7, making it G8
So, regardless of whether or not you believe the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, it’s indisputable that President Trump is executing on President Putin’s objectives.
Why wouldn't the Senate Intelligence Committer issue their updated report on Russian 2016 election meddling, in light of all these recent stupid Trump moves?
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07-04-2018, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by hcap
I am beginning to think the release of this report is not coincidental to recent events and maybe the Senate Intei Committeee is reacting to, and warning about......
1)-The disjointed House intel Committee fiasco implying there was no meddling by Russia.
2)-Trump announcing a meeting with Putin in Helsinki. Where the odds are he will give away the store as he did in Singapore.
FYI: Putin may have swayed Trump on ending US, South Kore joint military operations
3)-Trump is toying about a change in US policy on recognizing Russian occupation of Crimea. A 180º shift in U.S. policy on nonrecognition of Crimea is exactly what the Kremlin wants.
We will see.
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Well We see your head is spinning at a much more rabid pace.... of course as always to the left. FYI talk about imbalanced and you acuse others of fact free posting.
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07-04-2018, 12:36 PM
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4)-Trump recently has dissed NATO, complaining to various NATO countries about paying their share
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You got a problem with THEM paying THEIR fair share?????
What is with you that NO ONE but the US taxpayers ever pays for anything?
NATO is for THEIR protection, THEY should be paying US to be in it. Hasn't the US paid enough in two stupid European wars?
For God's sake - LET FREAKING RUSSIA have them all.
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07-04-2018, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom
You got a problem with THEM paying THEIR fair share?????
What is with you that NO ONE but the US taxpayers ever pays for anything?
NATO is for THEIR protection, THEY should be paying US to be in it. Hasn't the US paid enough in two stupid European wars?
For God's sake - LET FREAKING RUSSIA have them all.
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4, 5, and 6 are good points.
NATO didn't put up any fuss after the first conference last year. All countries increased defense spending.
Their reward: trade war and Trump trying to demolish their economic unity.
As far as let Russia have them you all have absurd opinions on world military power. The EU or NATO without the US is more than Russia could ever dream of handling.
Much like the big stick in the North Korea discussion... our big stick isn't nearly as scary when you have a big stick of your own.
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07-04-2018, 01:11 PM
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Their reward: trade war and Trump trying to demolish their economic unity.
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Their continued freedom.
If they don't like to play by our rules, the F___ them and let them play by their own. It won't be the first time Europe proves to be a totally defenseless bunch of wanna-be's. Let them run NATO without us.
We have NO reason to EVER go to war in Europe again.
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07-04-2018, 01:21 PM
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Their continued freedom.
If they don't like to play by our rules, the F___ them and let them play by their own. It won't be the first time Europe proves to be a totally defenseless bunch of wanna-be's. Let them run NATO without us.
We have NO reason to EVER go to war in Europe again.
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Stopped reading...
You have no clue what you're talking about... as usual.
They did play by the rules and increased spending.
America first is America alone to you folks.
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07-04-2018, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
4, 5, and 6 are good points.
NATO didn't put up any fuss after the first conference last year. All countries increased defense spending.
Bull spit of the 28 members only 8 have.... the other 20 are dragging ass.
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NATO-owned assets are also commonly funded when they are used in operations. The United States pays 22 percent of those costs.
American experts have argued for years that Europeans can afford to have broader social programs that produce comfortable lives for their citizens partly because they spend so much less on militaries knowing they live under the security blanket of the United States. Overall, American military spending is 72 percent of the total spent by all 28 allies.
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Their reward: trade war and Trump trying to demolish their economic unity.
We've been gutted for to long... but not dead yet
As far as let Russia have them you all have absurd opinions on world military power. The EU or NATO without the US is more than Russia could ever dream of handling.
Much like the big stick in the North Korea discussion... our big stick isn't nearly as scary when you have a big stick of your own.
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You don't think things need to change in our favor... of at the very least to a neutral balance?
Which would by the way be in our favor compared to how the scales or tipped away from us at this time.
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07-04-2018, 02:29 PM
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Well We see your head is spinning at a much more rabid pace.... of course as always to the left. FYI talk about imbalanced and you acuse others of fact free posting.
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More fact free nonsense.
Don't you think an apology is in order for your lack of honest sourcing for for biased Faux Noos criticism of the Senate Intel Committee Report?
Your claim that I withheld thee "full story"
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Originally Posted by OntheRail
As Mike Harvey use to say... Now For the Rest of the Story...
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Of course if you had read my link, you would have discovered in that article the proper link to the Senate I.C. PDF original, missing from your "Mike Harvey full story" biases and editorialized Fox News bull.
You and your buddies here, lie and divert like your orange colored turd leader.
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07-04-2018, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
America first is America alone to you folks.
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They would rather defend their tin foil hat theories mindlessly against reasonable questions and inquiries by the free press, the Fbi, Robert Mueller, the Justice Dependent, and the Senate.
A clear case of being sold out at Singapore and soon Helsinky.
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07-04-2018, 02:45 PM
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Trump will finish us in Finland. I should have learned Russian in college.
Remember when cozying up to Moscow made you a leftie? It's a new world order, all right!
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