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Old 05-25-2012, 08:24 PM   #16
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My favorite part of the story is that the people in my state voted 2-1 in favor of sports betting. Makes me proud to call New Jersey home.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:48 PM   #17
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California is trying the same thing.
SB 1390 left a Senate Committee with a unaminous vote.
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Old 05-25-2012, 09:14 PM   #18
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My favorite part of the story is that the people in my state voted 2-1 in favor of sports betting. Makes me proud to call New Jersey home.
A few years ago they voted for Corzine the Crook............ how's that make you feel?
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Old 05-25-2012, 11:49 PM   #19
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That was their original plan, to challenge the ban in court. Now, they are just skipping the challenge of the federal ban and will start accepting wagers in the fall.

The reason they have no shot here is the recent Delaware case. Delaware was one of 4 states that were grandfathered in that can allow sports betting, so they didn't even have to challenge the federal ban. Delaware did everything right, won all the legal arguments, and the Feds still shut them down from allowing individual betting. They did allow the sports lottery, which requires bettors to pick at least 3 games on a card.

The feds have plenty of cards to shut this down without even going to court. My guess is they'll threaten the casinos with legal action if anyone accepts a bet. They can threaten Christie by holding back federal funds, and if all that fails, they just find a judge to shut it down.

There's already casino owners saying nobody wants to be the first one to take a bet and risk getting into trouble.

I didn't even think of the Super Bowl in 2014, which the NFL can threaten to pull from the state as well.

[QUOTE=bks]Why do you think that, slew? From my understanding, the Governor's blessing is contingent on the successful challenging of the federal law by the NJ attorney general. NJ recently had a referendum on the subject that passed about 2-1. The legislature will be behind it as well.
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Old 05-26-2012, 01:15 AM   #20
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I didn't even think of the Super Bowl in 2014, which the NFL can threaten to pull from the state as well.
NCAA wouldn't allow tournament games in Oregon till they dropped sportsbetting which the state gave into, NJ can kiss any NCAA tournament games good bye.
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Old 05-26-2012, 06:37 AM   #21
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THE GUV GUY

the speedometer went from hate to love

I'm thinking a possible casino at CLUB MED?

are you listenting Mr. Gural??

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Old 05-26-2012, 08:32 AM   #22
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Organized crime? You don't really think they have that in NJ do you?
13 Alleged Mob Members Arrested for Running N.J. Online Gambling Ring

http://www.loansafe.org/13-alleged-m...-gambling-ring
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:36 AM   #23
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ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- New Jersey will defy a federal ban and let people bet on the outcomes of football, basketball and other games this fall, Gov. Chris Christie said Thursday.

Speaking at a news conference highlighting efforts to reinvigorate Atlantic City, Christie said the regulations his administration will issue next week make no attempt to overturn a 1992 federal law that limits sports betting to four states.

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They're grasping at straws if they think sportsbetting is gonna save AC.

http://www.wagerminds.com/blog/casin...11-3431/Gaming Revenue

The $10 billion in gaming revenue breaks down as follows:
•Pit revenue (includes Keno and Bingo) – $3.1 billion
•Coin operated devices – $6.6 billion
•Poker and pan – $162 million
•Race book – $73 million
•Sports pool – $141 million

Sports book revenue, which came in at $141 million, is just 1.4% of all Nevada gaming casino revenues.
Maybe Nevada but certainly not NJ

Dubbed “Operation Heat,” that investigation focused on an Internet betting ring with a base in Costa Rica that authorities alleged generated $2.2 billionin bets over a 16-month period


This is from an operation that is mid Atlantic based. The classic line is "if you don't know a bookie in NJ then you have no friends".
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Old 05-26-2012, 08:45 AM   #24
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The point I was making was that his statement stating that 50% of the money generated would go to compulsive gambler programs. That is ludicrous! Where does he think the bulk of the money will be coming from. That makes absolutely no sense. As for my failed attempt at humor, anyone that is offended, I do apologize. It was just a joke, and according to you, a bad one. You must really hate Bill Maher.
Everyone knows that's not going to happen the same deal as the lottery. Georgia had a great program where if you maintained a 'B" average in high school college tuition was free if you chose to stay in state. Recently they had to drop part of that because of budget constraints.


I just don't think its funny to joke about someones weight without knowing the facts. Rex Ryan underwent two stomach operations and he looks great. That would be pretty hard for a politician to do it would almost be equivilent of enrolling in AA.

Hate is a heavy word I hardly use it. I like commentators from both sides of the fence as long as their not wishy washy. Only saw Maher once and turned it off immediately.

One thing about Christie is that he stands his ground even when he's wrong. That doesn't make good presidential material but as a Governor he has done a decent job in my state. There is no doubt in my mind that he got together with Lautenberg and Menendez before taking this stand. This was a very wise move considering that there's an election for president in the fall.
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Old 05-26-2012, 10:12 AM   #25
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the speedometer went from hate to love

I'm thinking a possible casino at CLUB MED?

are you listenting Mr. Gural??

You got it. Once Atlantic City is done trying to save itself from itself the constitution will be amended to allow casinos outside of A/C. Something that should have been done years ago.
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Here's the greatest line ever by the governor, Christie said 50 percent of the revenue generated by sports betting would go toward treatment programs for compulsive gamblers. What he didn't mention was the other 50% was going toward treatment programs for obese NJ governors.
Maybe some of the money should go to throw a former NJ governor (Jon Corzine) in jail.
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Hate is a heavy word I hardly use it. I like commentators from both sides of the fence as long as their not wishy washy. Only saw Maher once and turned it off immediately.

Amen.

I do not enjoy speaking negatively about people but, that man is an unfunny and despicable person. When his time comes, I hope he goes screaming.
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Old 05-28-2012, 08:07 AM   #28
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That the way I read it too. I think it is highly unlikely that NJ can actually win in court. Now both Romney and Obama will get questions on it. I can't see either of them supporting Christie on this issue. There will also be issues with the NFL. In the past they have resolute in stating that they will not have team playing a state has legal gambling on their games. That will be the really interesting part of this. They would have to move two teams if they stick to their guns and if NJ actually wins its court battle.
The idea that 50% of the revenues would go to fight gambling addiction is with a doubt the most ridiculous thing to come out the mouth of a politician in sometime. Anybody that believes that probably owns several bridges.
Here we go again with this out of this world comment. They wouldn't even move the Super Bowl if it comes to fruition which I doubt. How would the NFL reimburse the two teams that spent 1.6 billion on the stadium? How about everyone who owns a PSL suing the living daylights out of them.

Even if the NFL wanted to move there is only one market that might be attractive to them and its Los Angeles. The days of expansion is almost all sports has come to a close in the continental United States. Teams have moved in the NBA and NHL during the past decade. Bad baseball teams don't draw but they get subsidized and make a nice profit every year. Jacksonville in the NFL is a team ready to move.

The NFL always states they are against gambling but without it their popularity would plummet. Do you really think those injury reports are for fantasy league players? They know how much money is bet just on the Super Bowl which equates to HIGHEST ratings.

Plus if they ever moved just imagine how easy both sides of the political fench to remove their antitrust exemption. Heck the silliness even started when the lockout was going on.

Ranking Democrat Seeks to Remove NFL Antitrust Exemption Over Lockout


http://www.bizoffootball.com/index.p...news&Itemid=79


Plus if gambling on football was to become legal in NJ how many states would follow suit almost immediately. It would generate additional revenues from an untapped source the majority of taxpayers would love something like this.

I hope it becomes reality just to see what the NFL does. Probably will get the same reaction as jaywalking on a NYC street from a police officer.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:56 AM   #29
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For the record the Conyers's bill like most bills introduced by a minority congressman went nowhere fast. What little chance it had, if any, ended when the NFL lockout ended.
I do not know what the NFL will actually do, only what they say. They do not have history of bluffing. They are ardent that LA put up a good hunk money for a stadium there. LA has refused, so no team there. I don't think it matters any way because the feds will shut it down as soon as it opens anyway. It is against federal law and even the the federal law is struck down by the courts, a new one would passed in record time. You would not have take off your shoes to count the number of congressman and senators who think that allowing betting on the NFL outside of Nevada is the way to go.
Again for the record, I would like to see betting on the NFL, etc, allowed outside of Nevada, but I just don't see it happening.
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Old 05-28-2012, 10:28 PM   #30
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Here's the rub...
Nevada has sports betting on single game outcomes.
The rest of us either bet through international on line gaming companies or illegal book making operations.
The bottom line here is if the dopes on Capitol Hill could figure out a way to regulate and of course TAX the wagers and then the winnings of every sports bet, it would be legal. Of course that is an opinion.
The other head scratcher is the fact that wagering on horse racing across state lines and over the internet is legal in states that permit wagering.
Confusing? Yeah!
My thinking is if we can wager on horse racing, why then not other sports.
What's the difference.
At the end of the day though, there are many groups who's lobbying( pestering) of politicians will prevent sports betting on single game outcomes across state lines.
Now, the question here is whether NJ can win a court challenge to the federal rule.
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