Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 04-12-2021, 03:03 PM   #46
MooseDog
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Northern California
Posts: 166
Actually, you are both right on your points, but don't let me get in the way of a good scrap.

In a 6F race, I count 7 trees in which two big ones block the horses completely at two separate points down the backstretch, but for really less than a second. Vic might have been guilty of hyperbole as the horses certainly disappear for longer than a millisecond.

But dilansp is correct in that if you were at grandstand level you're going to be looking at the infield big screen quite a bit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer View Post
Oaklawn? We have "ONE" tree that takes a millisecond to pass. In fact I didn't even realize it was there until reading your post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
Really? I think you have trees at the 7 furlong pole, the backstretch, and the 5/16 pole. If I ever get to Oaklawn (I hope to do so someday- my mother, who just died, wanted to go and even got to know the late Terry Wallace, but never went), I will do a tree census.....

Is it possible you don't notice the trees because you are up so high atop the grandstand? They certainly look like they obstruct vision on TV and in the seats.
MooseDog is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-12-2021, 03:57 PM   #47
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
Really? I think you have trees at the 7 furlong pole, the backstretch, and the 5/16 pole. If I ever get to Oaklawn (I hope to do so someday- my mother, who just died, wanted to go and even got to know the late Terry Wallace, but never went), I will do a tree census.....

Is it possible you don't notice the trees because you are up so high atop the grandstand? They certainly look like they obstruct vision on TV and in the seats.
Sorry to hear about your Mom, my condolences.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-12-2021, 04:23 PM   #48
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
Sorry to hear about your Mom, my condolences.
Thank you
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-12-2021, 11:54 PM   #49
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
Really? I think you have trees at the 7 furlong pole, the backstretch, and the 5/16 pole. If I ever get to Oaklawn (I hope to do so someday- my mother, who just died, wanted to go and even got to know the late Terry Wallace, but never went), I will do a tree census.....

Is it possible you don't notice the trees because you are up so high atop the grandstand? They certainly look like they obstruct vision on TV and in the seats.
Sorry about your Mom. I lost mine in 1979.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-13-2021, 10:57 AM   #50
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer View Post
Sorry about your Mom. I lost mine in 1979.
Thank you.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-13-2021, 10:58 AM   #51
PaceAdvantage
PA Steward
 
PaceAdvantage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Del Boca Vista
Posts: 88,180
My sympathies to you as well dilanesp.
__________________
@paceadvantage | Support the site and become a today!
PaceAdvantage is online now   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-13-2021, 01:29 PM   #52
Elkchester Road
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Near Lexington, KY
Posts: 3,246
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
Really? I think you have trees at the 7 furlong pole, the backstretch, and the 5/16 pole. If I ever get to Oaklawn (I hope to do so someday- my mother, who just died, wanted to go and even got to know the late Terry Wallace, but never went), I will do a tree census.....

Is it possible you don't notice the trees because you are up so high atop the grandstand? They certainly look like they obstruct vision on TV and in the seats.
Sorry to hear about your Mother, dilanesp. I am hoping you get to Oaklawn...soon.
__________________
Just when you least expect it...just what you least expect-The Pet Shop Boys.
Elkchester Road is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 04-13-2021, 01:35 PM   #53
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
Thanks everyone.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-02-2021, 06:25 PM   #54
affirmedny
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,056
Good article on Grunder

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/2021..._medium=social
affirmedny is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-04-2021, 10:26 AM   #55
usfgeology
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Tampa Bay
Posts: 1,100
Grunder was all class on Sunday. He was riffing and reminiscing on the various winning connections all day, thanking the horsemen and women, and the fans. They played videos of various trainers, jockeys and industry heavyweights saying goodbye between. Someone named a MSW horse in the 6th "Grunder"...pretty cool stuff. They had an amazing montage of his catch phrases. Some of the softer members of the crowd even shed a tear.

I think it's pretty special to go out on your own terms after a lifetime of doing something you are passionate about. Tampa Bay Downs will never sound the same again.
usfgeology is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-04-2021, 11:52 AM   #56
mountainman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 4,655
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
Thank you
So sorry, dude. Mine has been gone 23 years, but i still sometimes pretend she's alive.
mountainman is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-04-2021, 02:23 PM   #57
Gamblin4ever
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainman View Post
So sorry, dude. Mine has been gone 23 years, but i still sometimes pretend she's alive.
I lost mine 10yrs ago and I still talk talk to her sometimes.
Gamblin4ever is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-06-2021, 09:59 AM   #58
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by MooseDog View Post
CJ -

Don't know if you remember him, but we had Dick Riley on the California Fair circuit for forever...Dick was absolutely the worst race caller in the history of race calling, and he was clueless as to why people were critical of him.

Dick did everything CARF asked of him, morning line, announcing, fan events and he really was one of the nicest guys you would ever meet and maybe Everett Nevin (long-time CARF head) just never had the heart to replace him.

There really isn't any one guy doing the fairs now but back in the day when you heard Riley calling in "deep, deep stretch" you know it was the CA Fair circuit.

Like Grunder, I think after awhile they kind of grow on you...
True story. I was hired by CARF to call all the Fairs. Everett Nevin was so loyal to Dick he had him call live over the speakers at Ferndale. While I was calling for the rest of the simulcast world. Two announcers at FERNDALE of all places. Also happened at Sacramento with Joe Alto. At Vallejo the Fair Manager Bob Dunham was going to do the same thing with his guy. The legendary Craig O.K. Ingram but changed his mind when he found out how much it would cost to build a 2nd announcers booth. Gave Craig a job taking tickets at the Fair gate. He wasn't pleased.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-06-2021, 10:02 AM   #59
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
My recollection was that you could hear the announcer in the early stages in the race, but not after the horses turned for home and the crowd started roaring. So you could argue that an announcer who was accurate in the early stages in the race added some value; dramatic stretch calls, on the other hand, were unnecessary in that era (and if you listen to recordings of old announcers like Joe Hernandez and Fred Capossela, they rarely did them).
Back in those days many announcers were told to stop calling the race at the 1/16 pole.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 05-06-2021, 10:04 AM   #60
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
In 2021, with all the trip handicappers out there, there shouldn't be any trees at any track blocking any portion of the race. Oaklawn, Saratoga, you listening? (Santa Anita has trees too, but these days they only block the first 1/4 mile of 1 1/2 mile turf races. Still, they should come down.)
Trees at Arlington are a nightmare.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.