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Old 01-17-2019, 07:56 PM   #16
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There are thong one point being made here.
Try to open your mind a little and follow along.
I am talking about ALL organizations.
If you want to wear a thong, that is also your right. Please don't post pictures there.

And yes, SCOTUS said that freedom of speech applies to ALL organizations. And you have yet to make a reasonable argument against that freedom.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:03 PM   #17
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Any organization that receives federal and/or state (taxpayer) money, should not be allowed to make ANY political donations.

"The report found the Planned Parenthood abortion corporation and its affiliates received $344.5 million in federal funds and another $1.2 billion in funding from Medicaid (which includes a combination of federal and state funds) for a total of $1.5 billion over three years from federal programs. The abortion giant receives $1.2 billion from Medicaid, $201 million from the Title X family planning program $40.6 million from Title XX Social Services block grants and $25.9 million from the Title V Maternal and Child health Services block grant."

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Old 01-17-2019, 08:05 PM   #18
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Yes, I did.
One I believe is legitimate.

I don't believe God given rights apply to other than people.
Organizations cannot hold public office, so they should rightfully be excluded from participating in them. The members are all free to do so individually.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:10 PM   #19
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Ex- lobbyists are appointed to positions because THEY know where the road to the most money is. It is for their $$$ knowledge, not their abilities to service the public.
No one knows that better than Trump, who currently has 164 former lobbyists working in his administration. Details in the link I posted earlier in this thread.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:14 PM   #20
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I don't believe God given rights apply to other than people.
Organizations cannot hold public office, so they should rightfully be excluded from participating in them. The members are all free to do so individually.
We are a nation of laws, and the law trumps your belief. I believe in the Constitution. And I believe I will go have a beer and stop trying to explain reality here.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:21 PM   #21
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Oh yes, the laws.

I suppose you could give that same lecture to those who opposed ending slavery.

Or giving the right to vote to women.

Or think we had the right to drink alcohol.

Good thing reality is carved in stone.

Enjoy your beer - even though you would not be able to if we never changed laws.
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Old 01-17-2019, 08:51 PM   #22
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Oh yes, the laws.

I suppose you could give that same lecture to those who opposed ending slavery.

Or giving the right to vote to women.

Or think we had the right to drink alcohol.

Good thing reality is carved in stone.

Enjoy your beer - even though you would not be able to if we never changed laws.
Home brewed beer was legal under Prohibition. The things you talk about were changed by Constitutional amendment, not by changing laws. Changing the free speech rights of associations would also require amendment. Feel free to have at it. Let us know how your crusade is coming along.

Methinks you are beating a dead horse. I only bet on live ones.
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:12 PM   #23
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I just stated an opinion.
YOU are the one beating a dead horse again.
You do that a lot lately. You seem to have the same need to be right all the time Ely has.

Did YOU brew the beer you are drinking?
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Old 01-17-2019, 09:27 PM   #24
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as much as I loath Planned Parenthood, if you prevent them from doing that then you have to prevent any organization/person from donating to politicians. Including farmers, etc.
This is a good argument, but nothing is keeping the officers of these organizations from doing whatever they want individually. (Unless some of the officers/employees are dead and just collecting money and voting.) When you have an organization that gets most of its funding from the government, it reeks of pay to play and kickbacks.
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Excellent point.
Contribute to those who will fund you.
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NO organizations should be allowed to donate ever.
Private citizens ONLY, annual LIMITs enforced.

This is a nation of people, not organizations.

That and lobbyist must be outlawed.
Dealing with a known lobbyist would be immediate removal from office.

The government must not be for sale.
Sorry Tom, I have to disagree with you. What you propose is taxation without representation. Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't we fight the Revolutionary War over this? Now, if you exempt corporations from paying any tax, then I am with you.
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Obviously, Corporations are NOT people and do not have all the rights of people.
Can GM run for President?
I can!

I see your point, but if we do no tax the corporation, we have to tax the shareholders. Would you be happy paying tax for very corp you have stock in in your 401K?
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I see your point, but if we do no tax the corporation, we have to tax the shareholders. Would you be happy paying tax for very corp you have stock in in your 401K?
Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do. It all flows down hill.
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Corporations don't pay taxes, their customers do. It all flows down hill.
Sure they do, but it is just like rich people ... most have tax lawyers and CPAs to grow their net worth while minimizing tax liability.
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Sure they do, but it is just like rich people ... most have tax lawyers and CPAs to grow their net worth while minimizing tax liability.
Do you really believe that the taxes a corporation pays to the government aren't rolled into the price of its products or services? Taxes are a cost to a corporation, no different than the parts or labor it uses to produce its products. A corporation's revenue covers all costs incurred plus a return on investment, or else it doesn't stay in business very long. Taxes are a cost of doing business.
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