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10-31-2014, 07:29 PM
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If the track is fair, that means Goldencents can run a 44 and change under pressure at any track in the country and hold on. Do you think that he wins this race with the same pace scenario at any other track?
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Malarkey....SA is faster, so if he uses the same energy to go 44 at Santa Anita, it might transfer to 45 or even 46...apples to oranges.
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10-31-2014, 07:30 PM
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She was awesome!
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That was a damn nice stretch run!
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10-31-2014, 07:31 PM
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She was awesome!
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RF, I liked the wrong brown horse! 
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10-31-2014, 07:39 PM
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That was a damn nice stretch run!
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I think that is the best winner of the Juvenile Fillies Turf yet, by far.
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10-31-2014, 07:46 PM
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If the track is fair, that means Goldencents can run a 44 and change under pressure at any track in the country and hold on. Do you think that he wins this race with the same pace scenario at any other track?
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More chalk.
What a horrible freeway-like bias......
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10-31-2014, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Malarkey....SA is faster, so if he uses the same energy to go 44 at Santa Anita, it might transfer to 45 or even 46...apples to oranges.
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What about the turf?
Euros no where to be found.Maybe not liking rock hard firm.
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10-31-2014, 07:50 PM
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What about the turf?
Euros no where to be found.Maybe not liking rock hard firm.
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They did last year.
Just isn't happening for them - yet.
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10-31-2014, 08:01 PM
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What about the turf?
Euros no where to be found.Maybe not liking rock hard firm.
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I don't judge the Euro shippers on 2yos, they didn't look that great coming in to be honest, and they rarely send top runners. They have done fine on that course in the past.
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10-31-2014, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
Its important to have a track where the most amount of horses have a chance. If only the front runner and maybe a stalker or two can win, that's not good.
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10-31-2014, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
Tracks generally try to have a very fast surface for its big days. I think SA will too. What the unintended consequences will be is yet to be determined. Generally when they shoot for fast times, they get an early speed favoring track. I hope they get one. I hate betting a "fair" track.
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You hate betting a fair track?
Ummm. Ok...Whatever you say.
Is this so you and all other wise guys can bomb a legitimate 8-1 shot down to 3/5 and cash a 60 cent ticket just because the track favors speed?
Wow. Just wow.
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10-31-2014, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
Tracks generally try to have a very fast surface for its big days. I think SA will too. What the unintended consequences will be is yet to be determined. Generally when they shoot for fast times, they get an early speed favoring track. I hope they get one. I hate betting a "fair" track.
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Most handicappers prefer a fair track because that way, if they have a good note on a horse, they can play that horse without having to worry about much.
A strong bias turns large fields into smaller fields as horses who aren't going to be close have no chance.
Harness racing on a half mile track sees the 7 and 8 posts very compromised, unless you leave the gate, or a miracle happens, you aren't going to win. That would be your definition of "not fair". Why would you want to bet a race where the 7 and 8 posts are "automatic throwouts"? That's what you're essentially doing when the bias is a no passing zone.
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10-31-2014, 08:38 PM
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Given the same pace and pressure, would Goldencents had won if the race had been at Churchill or Belmont? I doubt it. Game effort, but the Santa Anita track plays like a half mile harness track, not the way a thoroughbred track is supposed to play. Of course, he was the best horse and Tapiture had no excuse, but the track helps speed horses.
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Good observation...
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In the Distaff the opening half mile was 46.73. Not terribly fast but fast enough.
The last 3/f was 37.79. With a final furlong in 12.91....
The Dirt Mile....Sheesh. First half mile was 44.80....Now, the last 2F was 25.99. Last furlong in a pedestrian 13.24..A fast standardbred would have blown right by the leader.
If the track was playing fair, closers would have a chance. The speed was able to hang on because no other horse could close.
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10-31-2014, 08:40 PM
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I thought it was a little fast early, but after all was said and done, it played pretty much like the "normal" Santa Anita
Rain tonight........the plot thickens
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10-31-2014, 08:50 PM
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If the track is fair, that means Goldencents can run a 44 and change under pressure at any track in the country and hold on. Do you think that he wins this race with the same pace scenario at any other track?
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No way!
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10-31-2014, 08:52 PM
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Loads of early money bet on Lady Eli....good Lord. Tote was right.
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Yeah...THAT is one impressive filly
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